Yes, you are correct. my comment was directed at a specific post talking about "Blackthorn209". Of course, few shooters who would be interested in buying those cheater zip guns would know what a "209 primer" is, much less that there is now made a special 209 primer JUST for shooting Black Powder!
For what I see as obvious reasons, most of the shooters who invest in those cheater zip guns don't want to join the NMLRA, or any local BP Gun Club, much less spend time at a range with guys like us, who shoot traditional percussion and flintlock guns. Not everyone- I know that we have some members here who own those zip guns in addition to their traditional guns. Curiosity catches us all at one time or another. :grin: :bow: Sometimes, these cheap zip guns are all that the shooter can afford. BTDT. :shocked2:
With charter BP clubs affiliated with the NMLRA located in every state, I wish people would go to the NMLRA website, join, and then locate the nearest club. Call the contact person. Get the State representative living closest to you, and call him. These are all fantastic ambassadors for our sport, and will be happy to help you, and help you find a skilled MLer near you to help you learn about MLers. It saves you lots of money, gives you local sources for supplies, a place to shoot Black Powder with other shooters, and a lot of hands-on training you simply cannot get reading this or any other forum or article on the "Net".
Our friends with their zip guns, the copper jacketed pistol bullets, the plastic shoes, the substitute powders, their telescopes, and those expensive wafers tend to stay away from BP clubs.
In fact, like thieves in the night, they tend to stay away from most other ethical hunters, who use real traditional Mlers during Muzzleloading Deer Seasons, rather than some blaster that might accidentally kill a deer out at 200 yds. To them, that extra season is all about getting another chance to kill a deer, not about imposing more limitations on their hunt so that they need to really work on their hunting skills to succeed. Learning how to scout, to track, to move quietly in the woods, to sit quietly in the woods, to listen to the squirrels and birds give alarm calls that alert you that a deer may be moving towards you-- none of those skills matter to the cheaters- they have their zip guns which will make up for all that!
Its as if we live on separate planets from these guys.
:hmm: :surrender:
I feel sorry for them, as they will never know the wonderful satisfaction, and peace of mind that comes from taking game with traditional Mlers at closer ranges, with all the limitations these old style guns impose on the hunter. :shocked2: :nono: :hmm:
