Very sorry pat i. I developed some health issues, and I cannot see well enough to do very much knife or gun work. Had cataract surgery and all was well for a couple of years, but my left eye has gone extremely blurry and prevents me from having good depth perception. Can't get it fixed just yet, due to the damned virus. I would recommend OLD DOMINION FORGE, Kyle Willyard, for an English trade knife or scalper. His work is excellent and very HC.