Who said the Confederacy is dead ?

[gidaddy]

The rift between North and South now lives in the minds of relatively few die hards. For most of us, it may occasionally appear in amicable banter between friends on opposite sides of the Mason Dixon.

I lived in Georgia for 10 years and a little ol southern lady explained to me the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee. She said why honey a Yankee goes home

 

[gidaddy]

P.s. sure miss Southern BBQ

 

[Capt. Kirk]

Your post above shows your complete ignorance as to why the vast majority of southern soldiers fought in the war. lt is historical fact taken from census records of the time that 85 to 90 percent of the people in the south did not even own slaves and did their own work .

Yet they they fought to keep it, and after the war they took part in the massacres and lynchings. You're on the wrong side of history dude, there was no noble cause, no honor, just evil.
Time to ignore you too, along with all the other neo-confederates on this site.

 

[sheriff john]

Regardless of which "side" one chooses to "favor" 150 years later, the Civil War years were horrific for combatants and non-combatants alike. Reconstruction after the war, was a time of continuing revenge, corruption, and punitive measures resulting not in healing, but pouring salt into wounds.

During that time. citizen groups formed to provide protection from scallawags, stragglers, carpet baggers, and profiteers when occupying Federal forces failed (some by choice) to do so. We know some were former confederate soldiers, but certainly not all. Every class suffered in the south following the war. Slaves were freed, but many remained in utter poverty alongside poor white folks who lost even their meager possessions. Profiteers became the new "slave holders", share croppers the new slaves.

 

[TDM]

Regardless of which "side" one chooses to "favor" 150 years later, the Civil War years were horrific for combatants and non-combatants alike. Reconstruction after the war, was a time of continuing revenge, corruption, and punitive measures resulting not in healing, but pouring salt into wounds.

During that time. citizen groups formed to provide protection from scallawags, stragglers, carpet baggers, and profiteers when occupying Federal forces failed (some by choice) to do so. We know some were former confederate soldiers, but certainly not all. Every class suffered in the south following the war. Slaves were freed, but many remained in utter poverty alongside poor white folks who lost even their meager possessions. Profiteers became the new "slave holders", share croppers the new slaves.

You are correct. Any lasting bitterness is not from the war itself, but from Reconstruction.

 

[Steve Wagner]

I accidentally erased the word "some " before non-Southerners when I edited. Sorry if I caused any confusion or misunderstanding. It kind of changed the meaning of my reply.There were numerous "Southern" volunteers from northern states who flocked to the Confederacy and it's cause when the war broke out. The CSA even had a few northern born generals.

I believe that the brothers Crittenden were from Ohio, both generals. One North and one south. Many people in Union states were divided over the war. In Illinois, even though considered Lincoln's turf, this divide held true. My family seems to have been all unionists but even still, my father grew up there hearing [and generally agreeing with] a commonly held view about blacks: "The Northerner loves the race but hates the man. The Southerner hates the race but loves the man." Southern pride, to the extent that it was sincere and steeped in an honor code may have been the last vestige of a social order based on Christian chivalry. As such, it may have been doomed from the get-go in dealing with an enemy composed of utilitarians for whom the ends justified the means. For people like Lee and so many others like him, it was better to lose the war than tarnish not only your own character, but that of the people you felt a kinship towards. While not perfect or utopian, this was Southern culture and to the extent that it succeeded in bonding a people together, it instilled a common sense of pride in those that attempted to live it out. This, in part explains why, to the exasperation of the "we won, get over it" crowd, it just will not die. As a rebuke to Yankee woke supremacy, I say, ride on Dixie, ride on. SW

 

[TDM]

Well said @Steve Wagner, well said.

 

[Eutycus]

Well put!

 

[Coinneach]

Should have executed more, a dozen wasn't enough. They weren't fighting oppressors, they were fighting because they wanted to be the oppressors. They chose to fight a war rather than do their own work, to hell with them.

Youre on ignore hence the lack of reply.

 

[Coinneach]

Regardless of which "side" one chooses to "favor" 150 years later, the Civil War years were horrific for combatants and non-combatants alike. Reconstruction after the war, was a time of continuing revenge, corruption, and punitive measures resulting not in healing, but pouring salt into wounds.

During that time. citizen groups formed to provide protection from scallawags, stragglers, carpet baggers, and profiteers when occupying Federal forces failed (some by choice) to do so. We know some were former confederate soldiers, but certainly not all. Every class suffered in the south following the war. Slaves were freed, but many remained in utter poverty alongside poor white folks who lost even their meager possessions. Profiteers became the new "slave holders", share croppers the new slaves.

And apart from Gettysburg the northern States remained largely unaffected by the War whereas in the South almost in its entirety was devastated.

 

[Eutycus]

I believe that the brothers Crittenden were from Ohio, both generals. One North and one south. Many people in Union states were divided over the war. In Illinois, even though considered Lincoln's turf, this divide held true. My family seems to have been all unionists but even still, my father grew up there hearing [and generally agreeing with] a commonly held view about blacks: "The Northerner loves the race but hates the man. The Southerner hates the race but loves the man." Southern pride, to the extent that it was sincere and steeped in an honor code may have been the last vestige of a social order based on Christian chivalry. As such, it may have been doomed from the get-go in dealing with an enemy composed of utilitarians for whom the ends justified the means. For people like Lee and so many others like him, it was better to lose the war than tarnish not only your own character, but that of the people you felt a kinship towards. While not perfect or utopian, this was Southern culture and to the extent that it succeeded in bonding a people together, it instilled a common sense of pride in those that attempted to live it out. This, in part explains why, to the exasperation of the "we won, get over it" crowd, it just will not die. As a rebuke to Yankee woke supremacy, I say, ride on Dixie, ride on. SW

This is a forum for passing on or sharing knowledge so I feel compelled to do a little "tweaking". The only thing that might need correcting is that I think the Crittenden brothers were from Kentucky not Ohio. But other than that I totally agree.

 

[Steve Wagner]

This is a forum for passing on or sharing knowledge so I feel compelled to do a little "tweaking". The only thing that might need correcting is that I think the Crittenden brothers were from Kentucky not Ohio. But other than that I totally agree.

Thank you Eutycus. It does indeed need correcting and you are correct. Sometimes, if a thought is not essential to the general point being made, I will rely merely on a memory that is not as sharp as it once was. Where Ohio came from in this, I know not. Kentucky, though might be the epitome of the internal divisions in the states. Hence, my mention of the Crittendens. Good catch though. A fire breathing Yankee could destroy an entire post over a giant miscue like that, so I should be more careful. If that does happen, you and the other true Southerners here can just toss me to the curb by pointing out that I am not the real deal anyway. I can take the hit and it won't disturb my affection for the South one bit. I try, but other than having old Texas relatives [cowboy stock] in Shamrock, my roots are mostly northern. When my dad visited relatives in the Panhandle as a boy [1920's-30's], many of the men were still wearing six shooters. I appreciate your attention to details. SW

 

[hlhanna]

Should have executed more, a dozen wasn't enough. They weren't fighting oppressors, they were fighting because they wanted to be the oppressors. They chose to fight a war rather than do their own work, to hell with them.

You need to educate yourself as to the reality of what caused the War Between the States, if you did, you would quickly find out that if it was about slavery, the South could have returned to the Union at any time and slavery would have been protected.
The Corbin Amendment, which would have passed as the 13th Amendment, specifically forbad the Federal government from.interfering with slavery.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There was far more to the reasons for war, but these facts are not taught, because they would make the Unionist look bad.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Regardless of how things came about to eradicate our History by removing Statues is a form of Seceding from Our Nation,s History . It will solve nothing. To form a better and more perfect union? I think not.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

You need to educate yourself as to the reality of what caused the War Between the States, if you did, you would quickly find out that if it was about slavery, the South could have returned to the Union at any time and slavery would have been protected.
The Corbin Amendment, which would have passed as the 13th Amendment, specifically forbad the Federal government from.interfering with slavery.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There was far more to the reasons for war, but these facts are not taught, because they would make the Unionist look bad.

Many facts are not taught about our History. It does not fit the Agenda for corrupting young minds.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

IDGAF what lies you believe, just stop spreading them. The war was about one thing, one thing only, and nothing you say will change that. Pretending that I'm the one that doesn't know history might make you feel better about yourself, but the facts prove you wrong. If you think otherwise you might need to read the Constitution of the CSA. Now, I'm done with you. Ignore.

Haha. In what fantasy land were the CSA and for that matter the US Constitutions obeyed to the letter. The CSA prohibition of slaves affected the Louisiana Native militia of 1,500 black free men, just how? , Both constitutions were violated daily and the US Constitution continues to be violated daily, by government officials, law enforcement and individuals. We have a law against bank robbery, and yet they still occur daily. We have a law against murder and yet in 2020, over 26,000 US residents died because their assailant hadn't heard about that law? And while we are mentioning the subject of the CSA constitution, which one? The second one outlawed importation of African race slaves from foreign countries, except the US,, But not slaves of other races.
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Liberal media bias, hook line and sinker. Refuses to even research facts to the contrary, then when confronted with citations to authorities resorts to profanity, calls people liars and makes a chauvinistic statement about his faith in fiction. All woker traits.

 

[springfield art]

The Southern "Stars and Bars" (St Andrews Cross Battle Flag) was flown at times by Australian Troops in Phuoc Tuy province South Vietnam during the War, its become something of an unofficial tradition.

Note our ADF Kangaroo symbol and White Star (adopted by WW2 allies from the American White Star on vehicle and aircraft).

One sees in the news today, how Japan, the US, and Australia are bonding closer in response to the Chinese pressure in that region. The US is fortunate to have Australia on our side!

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Should have executed more, a dozen wasn't enough. They weren't fighting oppressors, they were fighting because they wanted to be the oppressors. They chose to fight a war rather than do their own work, to hell with them.

Advocating Nazi "kill the village" tactics now? Such an unenlightened view. Why did slave states fight for the union? Why were two northern states Kentucky and Delaware the last states to free it's slaves in December 1865? BTW, in the 1850 census, 28% of Kentucky families owned slaves. A higher percentage than most if not all CSA states. Explain how they fought with the Union, if the war was about slavery?

 

[Relic shooter]

~America's current status validates that liberalism is a mental disease~

Germany's downfall was Nazism, Russia's was Marxism.
America's Leftists are pushing for a hybrid version of both.
World history validates that civic apathy/sheeple empowers dictators to enslave.

 

[Diogenes454]