Who said the Confederacy is dead ?

[1clayguy]

@flashpoint , listen to this song, pay attention to the words. It should give you a feel for the answer to your question. People of the South are proud of their beautiful lands, their rich family histories and their innate resistance to Government intrusions into how they live, work and play. I have met people who have never travelled past the borders of their native State because they never saw a need to go anywhere else. I am a product of southern roots that relocated for better job opportunities, but every year we go back home to spend time with our distant relatives, breath the air, visit old homesteads, farms, cemeteries and family burial plots and remember who we are and where we came from.

Resistant to government intrusions? Why do the southern states keep voting for democrats, the most freedom destroying political party ever.

 

[1clayguy]

You can't support a Nation based on a Constitutional Democracy without supporting the Constitution in its Entirety.

Reminder : The Southern States had the Constitutional Right to Secede from the Union in 1860-61, but the President (Lincoln) did not have the Constitutional right to wage War on any State that did secede for whatever reason they chose to.

Do your homework.

America is a Constitutional Republic, not a Constitutional Democracy.

 

[FlinterNick]

Well it didnt "technically" die because a people (even Southerners) still have the Right to preserve their own Culture and Southern Pride in the USA irrelevant of what a a geriatric puppet "president" dictates.....along with his subserviant disciples.

The question is ‘who said the confederacy is dead’? The answer is the South said the confederacy died when Lee surrendered and the CSA states and politicians were pardoned and then re admitted into the Constitutional Union of the United States of America. Southern pride and southern culture is not all confederacy… many value their rights to a flag many do not. Our view up north when we see a confederate flag flying in places like NJ or PA, MASS, NY or VT, or even DE or parts of MD is its not being flown for southern pride or culture its being flown for other reasons which are shameful.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Funny story, Nick you will like this, when we first moved into our home some 30 years ago and being a ardent civil war reenactor (union) but my wife who also reenacted sewed a small confederate flag into her petticoats, I flew both a period correct U.S. flag and the stars and bars, The older woman who lived across the way stopped one day when I was in the front yard and said she did not really like the confederate flag, so I said o.k. took it down and put up the Bonney Blue, she stops a few days later and mentioned to me (I thought you were a local and not from Texas) Now she was a well-educated person, seems to me many folks wish to push ill-conceived ideals of theirs on to others while having no concept of the issues, Also your mention of Maryland, you do realize Baltimore and most of the eastern shore were staunch pro confederate. I have past relatives who fought both for the union and confederacy so fly what you want. As to the shameful reference shame on you for not really understanding the original question as was posted.

 

[FlinterNick]

Funny story, Nick you will like this, when we first moved into our home some 30 years ago and being a ardent civil war reenactor (union) but my wife who also reenacted sewed a small confederate flag into her petticoats, I flew both a period correct U.S. flag and the stars and bars, The older woman who lived across the way stopped one day when I was in the front yard and said she did not really like the confederate flag, so I said o.k. took it down and put up the Bonney Blue, she stops a few days later and mentioned to me (I thought you were a local and not from Texas) Now she was a well-educated person, seems to me many folks wish to push ill-conceived ideals of theirs on to others while having no concept of the issues, Also your mention of Maryland, you do realize Baltimore and most of the eastern shore were staunch pro confederate. I have past relatives who fought both for the union and confederacy so fly what you want. As to the shameful reference shame on you for not really understanding the original question as was posted.

Cool story … I’m in NJ you see the confederate flag up north on occasion… it’s not reenacting on most occasions.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

I agree with everything you wrote. I have never understood how northerners will not accept that they had slaves. And it wasn't just blacks. Look at all the indentured servants that were bought of all races. Also bothers me that so often they make it sound like the southern USA was the only place that had slaves. Spain was shipping slaves to South America long before we ever had slaves in the south. There have been slaves since biblical times. Who built the pyramids,

There were also free blacks at Jamestown before slaves were brought to Virginia.

The question is ‘who said the confederacy is dead’? The answer is the South said the confederacy died when Lee surrendered and the CSA states and politicians were pardoned and then re admitted into the Constitutional Union of the United States of America. Southern pride and southern culture is not all confederacy… many value their rights to a flag many do not. Our view up north when we see a confederate flag flying in places like NJ or PA, MASS, NY or VT, or even DE or parts of MD is its not being flown for southern pride or culture its being flown for other reasons which are shameful.

Some of which are shameful. Yes many northern hicks fly it for racist reasons. When I have the chance, I point out to those knucklehead, the number of Black Confederates that served that flag so bravely and remark about how proud they must be to look down and see that flag waving up north. That it is fitting, to fly that flag in memory of the sacrifice made by all southerners of all races. I thank them for flying the flag to take that symbol back from the racist arseholes in the KKK and restore it to it's proper and respected symbol of the bravery and dedication of all Black and White Confederate soldiers. About half the time after I do this, the flag comes down. There hasn't been one time that "Billy Bob" hasn't stood there with his jaw hung open speechless.

 

[Capt. Kirk]

Resistant to government intrusions? Why do the southern states keep voting for democrats, the most freedom destroying political party ever.

The GOP tried to install a Dictator. When people demonstrate for civil rights it's always right wing groups that take to the streets to oppose them. It's the right that hates rights, science, intellectualism, education. It's the right that refuses to spend a dime to help the working class, because "communism," but doesn't say a word when rich POS like Trump & his cronies steal from us. It's the right that tries to force their religious manure off on everyone else. It's the right that waves the flag of a nation that was built on slavery, or the flag of a nation that put humans in ovens. You know why few young people want to live like you? Because they see what you are.

 

[Capt. Kirk]

The negro by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite-then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is the best, not only for the superior but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances or to question them. For His own purposes He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made “one star to differ from another in glory.”

Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, clearing stating that white supremacy and slavery were the "conerstone" of the CSA.

Well, who would have thunk it...

 

[Capt. Kirk]

So is "Gluttony", "Slothfulness" (laziness), "Uncleanliness", and within some Baptist denominations, Dancing, (especially dancing backwards), and for women; makeup, and dresses above the knee and/or visible cleavage.

I guess all of the Moms and Dads of Eagle Scouts are going to hell, because you don't see many of their vehicles without a "Proud Mom/Dad of an Eagle Scout". Lee Greenwood's song "Proud to be an American". Merle Haggard's "I Take a Lot of Pride in What I Am".

One of the U.S. Marines most famous advertising slogans "The Few, The Proud, The Marines".

Patriotism is the feeling of "pride", devotion, and attachment to a homeland.

Of Patriotism, John Wayne's take on it is one of the best.

John Wayne was a big mouth, not a patriot. He talked the talk while all the other leading men of Hollywood were off fighting, but John was making movies and screwing little girls. Want a real man? Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Jimmy Stewart, Humprey Bogart, Clark Gable

 

[Old Hawkeye]

So is "Gluttony", "Slothfulness" (laziness), "Uncleanliness", and within some Baptist denominations, Dancing, (especially dancing backwards), and for women; makeup, and dresses above the knee and/or visible cleavage.

I guess all of the Moms and Dads of Eagle Scouts are going to hell, because you don't see many of their vehicles without a "Proud Mom/Dad of an Eagle Scout". Lee Greenwood's song "Proud to be an American". Merle Haggard's "I Take a Lot of Pride in What I Am".

One of the U.S. Marines most famous advertising slogans "The Few, The Proud, The Marines".

Patriotism is the feeling of "pride", devotion, and attachment to a homeland.

Of Patriotism, John Wayne's take on it is one of the best.

Like I said, too much of it always causes trouble! Why are you so full of hate? Could it be excess pride? My post was never intended to attack anyone or to say anyone with any pride was evil or wrong. Wearing your patriotism on your sleeve doesn't make you a better person than the rest of us or allow you to be the supreme judge of how the rest of us think. John Wayne was a joke, even though I liked his movies. He wasn't on Iwo Jima, he just acted like he was. My father left his right leg on that God forsaken island & I carry shrapnel from Viet Nam to this day, so I don't need any lessons from a sniveling Gunny about what pride is. You are OUT OF LINE Sargeant. If you have two cents worth of "pride" you will apologize. USMC, 1969-1975, Quantico OCS, MOS 0302, C-1-27th. Can I be anymore clear?

 

[user 48702]

Like I said, too much of it always causes trouble! Why are you so full of hate? Could it be excess pride? My post was never intended to attack anyone or to say anyone with any pride was evil or wrong. Wearing your patriotism on your sleeve doesn't make you a better person than the rest of us or allow you to be the supreme judge of how the rest of us think. John Wayne was a joke, even though I liked his movies. He wasn't on Iwo Jima, he just acted like he was. My father left his right leg on that God forsaken island & I carry shrapnel from Viet Nam to this day, so I don't need any lessons from a sniveling Gunny about what pride is. You are OUT OF LINE Sargeant. If you have two cents worth of "pride" you will apologize. USMC, 1969-1975, Quantico OCS, MOS 0302, C-1-27th. Can I be anymore clear?

Sir:

First off, show me anywhere within my post that I projected hate, at anyone, especially toward you. Hate within its self is a sin. Maybe I misread your intent; however, my intent was only to express examples of what I have been taught and learned throughout life regarding pride, and being proud of my Country, my Heritage, and of those whom I grew up respecting. I always stand erect, full of pride anytime I hear Anchors Aweigh, The Marine Corps Hymn, and the Star Spangled Banner.

As far as sin goes, I was always taught it be a sin for one to be proud in the heart toward themselves to think of themselves as grandiose as in being better than others. I was taught that it is not a sin to take pride in one's work, homeland, or others whom are dear you or you may look up to or love. Was I questioning your service or patriotism? How could I, I know you not, but would like to get to know you.

I would like to say, although I feel the dressing down unwarranted, I haven't been dressed down in this manner since about 1983, by a Major General of whom I was assigned chief of his protection detail. He had a problem with my orders being from a higher authority. I appreciate both you and your Dad's service, very admirable. As for sniveling, I have never sniveled nor had an inclination to do so.

I hope you will accept my apology for misreading your intention.

 

[Coinneach]

The GOP tried to install a Dictator. When people demonstrate for civil rights it's always right wing groups that take to the streets to oppose them. It's the right that hates rights, science, intellectualism, education. It's the right that refuses to spend a dime to help the working class, because "communism," but doesn't say a word when rich POS like Trump & his cronies steal from us. It's the right that tries to force their religious manure off on everyone else. It's the right that waves the flag of a nation that was built on slavery, or the flag of a nation that put humans in ovens. You know why few young people want to live like you? Because they see what you are.

So you've revealed yourself as extremist Leftard thats incapable of rational thought processes, or the ability to understand what a civilised discussion of history is about.

Youre on Ignore now.

 

[Coinneach]

Can we get back to the original topic.
Anything else regarding his era before, during and after the War is of course welcome.

 

[Coinneach]

Duplicate post

 

[Coinneach]

America is a Constitutional Republic, not a Constitutional Democracy.

Point taken and youre right.

So, you can't support a Nation based on a Constitutional Republic without supporting the Constitution in its Entirety.

 

[Old Hawkeye]

Sir:

First off, show me anywhere within my post that I projected hate, at anyone, especially toward you. Hate within its self is a sin. Maybe I misread your intent; however, my intent was only to express examples of what I have been taught and learned throughout life regarding pride, and being proud of my Country, my Heritage, and of those whom I grew up respecting. I always stand erect, full of pride anytime I hear Anchors Aweigh, The Marine Corps Hymn, and the Star Spangled Banner.

As far as sin goes, I was always taught it be a sin for one to be proud in the heart toward themselves to think of themselves as grandiose as in being better than others. I was taught that it is not a sin to take pride in one's work, homeland, or others whom are dear you or you may look up to or love. Was I questioning your service or patriotism? How could I, I know you not, but would like to get to know you.

I would like to say, although I feel the dressing down unwarranted, I haven't been dressed down in this manner since about 1983, by a Major General of whom I was assigned chief of his protection detail. He had a problem with my orders being from a higher authority. I appreciate both you and your Dad's service, very admirable. As for sniveling, I have never sniveled nor had an inclination to do so.

I hope you will accept my apology for misreading your intention.

Accepted, with no hard feelings.

 

[Mikekj]

Pride in and of itself is not a sin.
Prideful sin is.

 

[user 48702]

Textbook: Alabama History 1908 Revised

I've had this Alabama textbook from 1908 for years, picked up an actual copy at an estate sale for .25 cents. I bought another copy off ebay, but it is in poor condition. Discovered that the 1915 revised version had been scanned by Google Books, so I provided it in the link below. It contains several chapters on secession and what led up to it, the war, and reconstruction. It gives the reader a view of the war and reconstruction from an Alabamian's perspective into the past while memories were still fresh. One has to note that it is written and published less than 35 years after reconstruction ended in 1874. It also has a good chapter on "Andrew Jackson in Alabama" and the Indian wars. It's quite a large history book centering on just one State, which covers Hernando De Soto's arrival in Alabama in July 1540, and everything that transpired through about 1905.

Alabama History 1908 (1915 revised) by Joel Campbell DuBose, M.A.

 

[Capt. Kirk]

Textbook: Alabama History 1908 Revised

I've had this Alabama textbook from 1908 for years, picked up an actual copy at an estate sale for .25 cents. I bought another copy off ebay, but it is in poor condition. Discovered that the 1915 revised version had been scanned by Google Books, so I provided it in the link below. It contains several chapters on secession and what led up to it, the war, and reconstruction. It gives the reader a view of the war and reconstruction from an Alabamian's perspective into the past while memories were still fresh. One has to note that it is written and published less than 35 years after reconstruction ended in 1874. It also has a good chapter on "Andrew Jackson in Alabama" and the Indian wars. It's quite a large history book centering on just one State, which covers Hernando De Soto's arrival in Alabama in July 1540, and everything that transpired through about 1905.

Alabama History 1908 (1915 revised) by Joel Campbell DuBose, M.A.

Holy moly that book contains more manure than a pig farm.

 

[kelljp]

The South was based on enslavement of others. They were traitors and scum. The fact that people still support that trash is disgusting.

Need to study history slavery has went on since recorded history has been kept, and is still going on today ( what kind of labor produces all the wonderful Apple and Android products we buy).
Lincoln's only concern was control, the tariff he imposed on the southern states was the straw that ignited succession. If you believe it was slavery read Lincoln's 1st attempt to keep the union
A proposed Thirteenth Amendment to prevent secession, 1861 | Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History

www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/proposed-thirteenth-amendment-prevent-secession-1861

the southern states refused even though northern states voted for it