Who said the Confederacy is dead ?

[Coinneach]

Many people dont realise that Australia is often referred to as "the Great Southern Land" and that during Lincolns War the Confederate commerce raider CSS Shenandoah visited Australia to refit and was warmly welcomed by the then government and citizens of the Colony of Victoria.

Strangely enough over the many years the old Stars and Bars have been flown here in Australia, the most recent time (that we know of) being by our SASR 2 Squadron blokes often flown when they were working with American troops.

What follows in the attached footage will delight my Southern friends, as for the mock outrage it was all media considered bullshite; and only encourage our Boys to "Carry On regardless".

 

[TDM]

Thanks for that @Coinneach! Independent thought always scares the hell out of governments.

 

[Eutycus]

It is definitely not dead but I'd like to see it more alive. I don't think some non-southerners really understand what is meant by "Southern Pride".

 

[Coinneach]

Ref the CSS Shenandoah's visit to Australia, 42 Australians actually joined the Crew, after some Confederate Seamen deserted the Ship while refitting in Melbourne.

Australia's link to American Civil War remembered, 150 years on

Melbourne marks 150 years since the arrival of a ship that "created havoc" during America's civil war, and recruited dozens of Australian men during its visit.

www.abc.net.au

CSS Shenandoah ship-board diary

Learn the fascinating details about Lt Dabney Scales' ship-board diary from the CSS Shenandoah's visit to Melbourne in 1865.

www.slv.vic.gov.au

Here in the State of Queensland an elderly American Expat discovered that a number of Confederate (11) and Union Veterans (18) were buried in local Grave yards. He expected another 80 to 90 were yet to be located.

American Civil War soldiers' graves identified in Queensland

More than 150 years after the American Civil War, a Loganholme man has mapped out the graves of 29 soldiers buried around Queensland.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

So Australia has a very real link with that War, its believed that well over 400 American veterans came to Australia after 1865 to settle here. (As my own Virginian Great Grandmother did). I wonder how many of their descendants are living and unaware of their historical link to the Southern /Northern Armies and Navy.

 

[SOLANCO]

The free press can be despicable. Necessary nonetheless.

 

[Coinneach]

It is definitely not dead but I'd like to see it more alive. I don't think non-southerners really understand what is meant by "Southern Pride".

Southern blood runs in our family's veins, my Great Grandfathers second Wife was one Anna Gray (known as "The Virginia lady" to us) a distant Cousin who maintained correspondence and immigrated here to marry my Great Grandfather Andrew around 1867.

Anna Grays paternal Cousin was John Bowie Gray (1846-1930) of Stafford County Virginia, who as a VMI Cadet charged at the Battle of Newmarket in 1864. He later served with the ANV in the trenches at Richmond and other conflicts.
The Virginia Lady is much honoured in my family and every female descendant (including my 2 now adult daughters) bear her name, our surname itself was changed by ol Andrew to include "Gray" as hyphenated.

 

[Coinneach]

The free press can be despicable. Necessary nonetheless.

And the question always is "how free are they" politics and money having always been seductive.

 

[Bushfire]

I've never shied away from the fact that if I lived in 1860s America I would have fought foe the CSA.

 

[Coinneach]

I've never shied away from the fact that if I lived in 1860s America I would have fought foe the CSA.

You and I both brother, when I was with the Qld ACW Round Table and other groups I only ever portrayed a Southern Rebel, never wore Union blue.

 

[Some_Mook]

It is definitely not dead but I'd like to see it more alive. I don't think non-southerners really understand what is meant by "Southern Pride".

There are plenty of non-southerners who do understand, and a lot of us have Southern roots. The auto industry led to quite a number of southerners relocating north to Michigan, especially after WWII.

A few decades ago, I had a Gold Wing motorcycle on which I used to fly a POW flag and an Army of Virginia Battle flag. I had a white colleague tell me I was crazy to carry that flag where we worked in Pontiac, MI. I told him I wasn't worried about it. Later I was approached in the workplace parking garage by a group of non-Caucasian fellow employees asking me what I meant by displaying said flag. I talked with them a bit about what it meant to me personally and they shook my hand and walked away.

I captured a screenshot on Twitter quite a while back that tickled me:

 

[Eutycus]

I accidentally erased the word "some " before non-Southerners when I edited. Sorry if I caused any confusion or misunderstanding. It kind of changed the meaning of my reply.There were numerous "Southern" volunteers from northern states who flocked to the Confederacy and it's cause when the war broke out. The CSA even had a few northern born generals.

 

[Mikekj]

The St. Andrews cross is not the stars and bars.
This is the “Stars and Bars” :

 

[Eutycus]

What has happened to history that is taught in schools? Or is history even being taught anymore? Way too many in the general population still believe the bad points made up by the Northern press. Many (all?) Southern leaders were crucified in the papers and alot of that nonsense is still believed.

 

[Eutycus]

The St. Andrews cross is not the stars and bars.
This is the “Stars and Bars” :View attachment 200567

Also known at the 1st National

 

[Johnny Tremain]

On the bottom of my cut (motorcycle vest) is the stars and bars and it says "Heritage Not Hate"
The only part of the south I hale from is south Jersey!

Its respect. Not hate

 

[Eutycus]

"Heritage not Hate". That's the point I was trying to make in my original post. The Heritage part seems to be sorely missed by the true haters.

 

[springfield art]

"Heritage not Hate". That's the point I was trying to make in my original post. The Heritage part seems to be sorely missed by the true haters.

Yes, that's a good point.

 

[springfield art]

Also known at the 1st National

Recall that the 3rd National, when at rest on a staff with no breeze, would mistakenly look like a white surrender flag, so they added the broad red strip at the outer end of the flag= 4th National. If I was an enemy soldier in, say, Vietnam in the 60's, I'd be flummoxed and maybe a bit scared to see the CS Battle Flag flying somewhere. Wonder if anyone has any knowledge of (un-official) use of it during the War there?

 

[Eutycus]

Recall that the 3rd National, when at rest on a staff with no breeze, would mistakenly look like a white surrender flag, so they added the broad red strip at the outer end of the flag= 4th National. If I was an enemy soldier in, say, Vietnam in the 60's, I'd be flummoxed and maybe a bit scared to see the CS Battle Flag flying somewhere. Wonder if anyone has any knowledge of (un-official) use of it during the War there?

Wasn't that the 2nd National that could be mistaken for the flag of truce? Also known as the "Stainless Banner". Sadly It's first official use was to drape over Stonewall Jackson's coffin.

 

[SOLANCO]

The rift between North and South now lives in the minds of relatively few die hards. For most of us, it may occasionally appear in amicable banter between friends on opposite sides of the Mason Dixon.