WHICH POWDER and HOW MUCH is TOO MUCH.

[OLD CROW]

The old (Very old) debate about 3F v.s. 2 F has been ''raging on'' since I can remember....I am now talking about caplock rifles. 50 and 54 cal.....what I have used....
a really good video on U-TUBE.

I make no judgement/ comments about the video EXCEPT its v e r y
I n t e r e s t I n g.

IRAQVETERAN8888. (BLOWING UP A MUZZLELOADER)
QUITE AN EYEOPENER..!!!!!

 

[Rat]

It was interesting. No real surprises, other than how much smokeless it took to do damage. The difficulty in producing/causing damage with black powder was no surprise.

 

[OLD CROW]

A certain fellow who worked for ''savage arms'' (Won't mention Randy's name)
but he talked a lot of trash about muzzleloaders ..CVA,TRADITIONS,and others which had/have Spanish and Italian barrels........CVA for example had,i i r c ,were originally made with DOUGLAS Barrels,made in the US of A..(you can't go no better...) later they went with Spanish barrels which are supposed to be ''inferior ''quality, worse than Italian barrels.......those ITALIAN barrel are on LYMAN , Traditions,Cabalas,safari and a whole slew of others.....all made (Barrels) by INVESTMARM Italy....
I don't think with the LAWYERS waiting in line for a multimillion dollar law suit, that ANY of the caplocks sold in the U.S. would have ''pipebomb'' barrels .
There was an issue for 1 or v2 years with a certain ''in line'''' muzzleloader, think it was CVA but don't remember for sure.......so this guy talked sooooo much trash that many folks just will not buy a M.L. with a barrel made in SPAIN or ITALY....sort of like saying,I WON'T DRIVE A FORD cause GMC had a transmission issue.... heck,THEY ARE BOTH PICK UP TRUCKS!!!!!!!
I think,from that video I mentioned,.its basic GRASS ROOTS.....Those good ole boys JUST SHOWING what it takes .........me,i'll stick to my 80.gr. max load for my 50 cals.... it works for me,DO I worry about blowing up my ''junk barrels'' NOPE... i will clean my guns after every outing and do an inspection . I'm more concerned about a mountain lion or bear bushwhacking me on the way to the mailbox.

 

[OLD CROW]

It was interesting. No real surprises, other than how much smokeless it took to do damage. The difficulty in producing/causing damage with black powder was no surprise.

Ya,that titegroup is ''fast''. I use it with full wadcutters for target shooting in .38 special.....3.4 gr. that's like a ''pinch of salt'' with your fingers when making a marmot stew.

 

[leverfred]

I use the Davenport formula to determine max loads.

 

[Rat]

I use the accuracy formula.

 

[Griz44Mag]

This thread is pointless and does nothing to enlighten or educate a serious muzzleloader.

 

[Bent Sight]

I use the Davenport formula to determine max loads.

I learned something new today.

Thank you!

 

[Swandog]

Entertaining video. I'd seen it cause I watch Iraqvetran8888 a lot. I'm cheap so I use just enough fffg Goex for best accuracy which is 70grs but I'm just starting with Dutch Shultz's method.

 

[OLD CROW]

This thread is pointless and does nothing to enlighten or educate a serious muzzleloader.

LIGHTEN UP A WEE BIT BRO,. LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO TAKE THE LITTLE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY.
Next thing,someone will complain about FONT SIZE or my use of ''upper case''.
its almost CHRISTMAS......LETS ALL TRY TO GET ALONG...

 

[Juice Jaws]

LIGHTEN UP A WEE BIT BRO,. LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO TAKE THE LITTLE THINGS SO SERIOUSLY.
Next thing,someone will complain about FONT SIZE or my use of ''upper case''.
its almost CHRISTMAS......LETS ALL TRY TO GET ALONG...

Speaking of your upper case, I like it, I am hard of hearing.

 

[Newtire]

I saw that Iraqivet8888 video of those guys blowing up a muzzleloader and was also pretty amazed but I thought this thread was about black powder granulation and 2F vs 3F. I would say one ought to be careful about "driving too close to the center line" . If you start throwing a lot of variables into the mix, you could end up with a pretty deadly cocktail.

 

[John Applebee]

How much powder do I need in a 54 cal Hawken to shoot a big bear.

 

[hanshi]

I use "hanshi's formula" for figuring powders and loads.

 

[M. De Land]

How much powder do I need in a 54 cal Hawken to shoot a big bear.

If your going to use a ball which typically weights 230 grains or so and you have a 30 plus inch barrel than 90-110 grains of 2F will give about all the velocity that combo will yield, probably in the 1800-1900 FPS realm. If you shoot over fresh snow or a bed sheet you can see when the un-burned powder begins to be ejected and you have reached your powder volume limit.

 

[hanshi]

My .54 has a 32" barrel and gets 1720 fps with 110 grains of 3F.

 

[32 ballard xl]

How much powder do I need in a 54 cal Hawken to shoot a big bear.

I'd think 70-80 grains, and on up.

 

[OLD CROW]

what kind of bear / what make of rifle.......

 

[cositrike]

How much powder do I need in a 54 cal Hawken to shoot a big bear.

If you’ve got bears in your neck of the woods, I’m coming up to join you for a shoot and I think, in England, you’re only allowed to shoot them with flintlocks. Lol.

 

[Osage]

For what it's worth, I hunt hogs in the Mississippi swamp or maybe I should say they hunt me. That said, I use a Lyman mold to cast a solid lead 425gr hollow base, pointed projectile backed with 150gr of 777, such that if it doesn't knock him down I have a dense smoke screen to escape