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Pilgrim67

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I recently bought a muzzleloader that appears to have some age on it. It doesn’t have any maker’s mark on the 27 1/2” barrel. It’s a 28 caliber with an odd number of riflings. Front hooded sight has been changed or moved forward at some point in its existence. Rear sight is a flip-up veneer(sp?) sight. Golcher lock. The trigger is stamped “Henry”. Poured pewter end cap. Cast brass trigger guard and butt plate. Silver patch box and ornaments. The curly maple stock has been broken and repaired with other wood and wooden dowels and the brass plate on the left side for reinforcement.
I have looked high and low for anything similar on the internet. The closest I find are what they call “Ohio rifles”. I really have no clue though. Please share your knowledge and thoughts as to what I may have. I can take more pictures of anything specific. Thank you
 

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I recently bought a muzzleloader that appears to have some age on it. It doesn’t have any maker’s mark on the 27 1/2” barrel. It’s a 28 caliber with an odd number of riflings. Front hooded sight has been changed or moved forward at some point in its existence. Rear sight is a flip-up veneer(sp?) sight. Golcher lock. The trigger is stamped “Henry”. Poured pewter end cap. Cast brass trigger guard and butt plate. Silver patch box and ornaments. The curly maple stock has been broken and repaired with other wood and wooden dowels and the brass plate on the left side for reinforcement.
I have looked high and low for anything similar on the internet. The closest I find are what they call “Ohio rifles”. I really have no clue though. Please share your knowledge and thoughts as to what I may have. I can take more pictures of anything specific. Thank you
 

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It looks to me like a parts gun though it may have started out as an Ohio rifle. Someone took what they had (or could get), fixed the stock that may have been snapped in half. The Phillip's head screw could have been added later or the gun was "assembled" sometime after 1933.
 

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I couldn’t speak to the age of your particular rifle, but it is definitely in the style of the Ohio/ Southern Michigan guns, which are absolutely my favorite. It’s a lovely little shooter.
 

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It looks to me like a parts gun though it may have started out as an Ohio rifle. Someone took what they had (or could get), fixed the stock that may have been snapped in half. The Phillip's head screw could have been added later or the gun was "assembled" sometime after 1933.
Thanks. That is a possibility kje54.
 

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I couldn’t speak to the age of your particular rifle, but it is definitely in the style of the Ohio/ Southern Michigan guns, which are absolutely my favorite. It’s a lovely little shooter.
Thanks. In my research I found out that there were many many different makers in the Ohio area. Each having their own nuances and style. Just wishing I could narrow down some makers and the age of the rifle. It is a very beautiful rifle. Too bad the stock was broken and repaired. Nonetheless, it’s still beautiful. As for shooting, I hope to get it back to being a shooter. The spring in the Golcher lock needs replacing as it will not even set off a cap. Definitely a restoration project but it will be worth it in the end.
What are your thoughts on replacing the stock with a new one and using the original patch box and inlays, and hardware? I’m concerned about taking away any history or historical value it may have.
 

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As far as replacing the stock, I’d be very careful of it for two reasons.

1: you might damage the original stock further during the process. This would be a concern if you wanted to hold on to it.

2: you may damage the original hardware when transferring it. It’s hard to tell the condition of the metal parts and fasteners without being there in person, but it’s always a good choice to take extra care.

I think your best bet would be to try and find out more about the rifle, making sure you know as much as possible about what you have before you make any changes. There are others on this board much more qualified than me to provide advice. Wish I could be more helpful.
 

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As far as replacing the stock, I’d be very careful of it for two reasons.

1: you might damage the original stock further during the process. This would be a concern if you wanted to hold on to it.

2: you may damage the original hardware when transferring it. It’s hard to tell the condition of the metal parts and fasteners without being there in person, but it’s always a good choice to take extra care.

I think your best bet would be to try and find out more about the rifle, making sure you know as much as possible about what you have before you make any changes. There are others on this board much more qualified than me to provide advice. Wish I could be more helpful.
Thanks for your advice. It has been very helpful. How do I get the advice of those “more qualified”? Do I need to post this elsewhere on this forum or maybe even a different website or forum?
 

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Dear Pilgrim . Plenty enough qualified on this forum. Ide agree very likely repaired if rudely in early revival times per NMLRA unless the bore suits a conical or picket bullet its a very optimistic rear sight, but looks right enough .If its shootable now Ide soggest try it ugly as it seems to restock must likely be a think twice idea . Look under the butt plate sometimes owners added info under them. could help trace it or run a photo by the NMLRA ' Muzzle Blasts' might trigger some old timer memory worth a try .
Regards Rudyard
 

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Try posting your questions about the stock work over in the craftsman/workbench sections of this forum. Lots of very talented folks.
 

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Dear Pilgrim . Plenty enough qualified on this forum. Ide agree very likely repaired if rudely in early revival times per NMLRA unless the bore suits a conical or picket bullet its a very optimistic rear sight, but looks right enough .If its shootable now Ide soggest try it ugly as it seems to restock must likely be a think twice idea . Look under the butt plate sometimes owners added info under them. could help trace it or run a photo by the NMLRA ' Muzzle Blasts' might trigger some old timer memory worth a try .
Regards Rudyard
Thanks for the reply Rudyard. Yes, I agree their are people on here who have a wealth of knowledge and are more than qualified. He was showing humility which is a great quality as well.
When I get the new spring for the lock I will shoot it. That is my goal anyway.
Thanks for the tip about looking under the butt plate. I’ll take a look and see if there is anything. Thanks
 

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I recently bought a muzzleloader that appears to have some age on it. It doesn’t have any maker’s mark on the 27 1/2” barrel. It’s a 28 caliber with an odd number of riflings. Front hooded sight has been changed or moved forward at some point in its existence. Rear sight is a flip-up veneer(sp?) sight. Golcher lock. The trigger is stamped “Henry”. Poured pewter end cap. Cast brass trigger guard and butt plate. Silver patch box and ornaments. The curly maple stock has been broken and repaired with other wood and wooden dowels and the brass plate on the left side for reinforcement.
I have looked high and low for anything similar on the internet. The closest I find are what they call “Ohio rifles”. I really have no clue though. Please share your knowledge and thoughts as to what I may have. I can take more pictures of anything specific. Thank you
Very nice. How much does it weigh?
 
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