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What is Damascus?
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Cruzatte
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That was most informative. I learned something about the history of steel making I had previously never known. Thanks for posting that, Claude.
thanks Claude-
yuppers.
what that nice Walter fellow said.
crucible steel, aka wootz (made in small pucks) was shipped out from what we know as India all over the silk road trade routes and beyond.
Damascus, being a blade-making and manufacturing city and center of trade obtained and used those pucks and the monicker "Damascus Steel" sort of stuck, somewhat like "scheffield steel".
yhs
shunka
yuppers.
what that nice Walter fellow said.
crucible steel, aka wootz (made in small pucks) was shipped out from what we know as India all over the silk road trade routes and beyond.
Damascus, being a blade-making and manufacturing city and center of trade obtained and used those pucks and the monicker "Damascus Steel" sort of stuck, somewhat like "scheffield steel".
yhs
shunka
Be fun to have a few biscuits of that dendrite-rich wootz to play with, eh?
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thanks for the post!
more esoterica which will fill my otherwise empty head.
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more esoterica which will fill my otherwise empty head.
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Indeed.
Was it the National Geographic Channel that had a show on the Vikings with a section in on making a modern repro, that talked about something like over 20 of the finest Viking Swords found were also made of Damascus steel?
Gus
Was it the National Geographic Channel that had a show on the Vikings with a section in on making a modern repro, that talked about something like over 20 of the finest Viking Swords found were also made of Damascus steel?
Gus
Gus, I was under the impression the Vikings forge-"braided" their sword blanks, then forged them out and ground to shape, giving great strength and edges of varying hardness. Could be all wet.
RAEDWALD
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Crucible steel Viking swords were the top model Ferrari equivalents. Most Saab quality good ones were pattern welded from local materials. There have been some Viking swords found that carry fake crucible steel names just like we see fake designer fashion items today. People don't change. But they did know the difference between pattern welded metal and crucible steel even if they did not know why or how they differed. Hence crucible steel imported across thousands of miles was fearsomely expensive but was thought worth the cost if you were rich enough which was very rich. Gun barrel 'damascus' is a species of pattern welding but in tubular form instead of blade form.
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Yeah, the Ulfberht blades. Great theory, happened to overlook the minor little detail that +VLFBERH+T happens to be written in the Latin alphabet, not the Scandinavian Futhark, aka runes. In other words, they aren't Viking swords, they are Frankish blades.
Basically, the steel in the Ulfberht blades looks like it was crucible steel. Everything else was speculation based on an obviously erroneous assumption. Dumb.
https://youtu.be/4EG34YoRHs8
Dawg, that was fun. Thanks for the link.
I remember reading a book on the Vikings translated from a Scandinavian author. I can not recall the name or even the country of origin, it seems in my minds eye it was Danish, but....
And I’m kind-a remembering it was a women archaeologist, this would have been in the late seventies or early eighties.
So( I head it in a bar from a guy who had a friend who knew a fellow that said) take this with a grain of salt.
She pointed out that there was a century long window that allowed Damascus steel to flow in to Scandinavia. The Vikings produced some great swords and tried to imitate those sword and when the trade with the east was closed the Viking smiths could produce good but never as good steel.
And I’m kind-a remembering it was a women archaeologist, this would have been in the late seventies or early eighties.
So( I head it in a bar from a guy who had a friend who knew a fellow that said) take this with a grain of salt.
She pointed out that there was a century long window that allowed Damascus steel to flow in to Scandinavia. The Vikings produced some great swords and tried to imitate those sword and when the trade with the east was closed the Viking smiths could produce good but never as good steel.
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