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Heard a report on NPR about Fertilizers, Phosphorous in particular. About 7 years after the Battle of Waterloo, the English dug up many of the 40 thousand men & horses buried on the battle site, and ground the bones into "meal" for fertilizer. Imagine the lack of respect that was lacking at that time; they really DID think differently! This was broadcast weekend of 17th-18th on NPR radio. There was more interesting detail about the flammable remains left from Phosphorous bombing in WW2; who knew? My local station for National Public Radio is WHYY 90.9FM so I imagine it can be found on line. (Not to mention the now-valuable buttons, buckles, etc. that metal detectorists so eagerly seek!)
 
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Heard a report on NPR about Fertilizers, Phosphorous in particular. About 7 years after the Battle of Waterloo, the English dug up many of the 40 thousand men & horses buried on the battle site, and ground the bones into "meal" for fertilizer. Imagine the lack of respect that was lacking at that time; they really DID think differently! This was broadcast weekend of 17th-18th on NPR radio. There was more interesting detail about the flammable remains left from Phosphorous bombing in WW2; who knew? My local station for National Public Radio is WHYY 90.9FM so I imagine it can be found on line. (Not to mention the now-valuable buttons, buckles, etc. that metal detectorists so eagerly seek!)
Also the Waterloo Teeth, that were used for dentures
 
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Heard a report on NPR about Fertilizers, Phosphorous in particular. About 7 years after the Battle of Waterloo, the English dug up many of the 40 thousand men & horses buried on the battle site, and ground the bones into "meal" for fertilizer. Imagine the lack of respect that was lacking at that time; they really DID think differently! This was broadcast weekend of 17th-18th on NPR radio. There was more interesting detail about the flammable remains left from Phosphorous bombing in WW2; who knew? My local station for National Public Radio is WHYY 90.9FM so I imagine it can be found on line. (Not to mention the now-valuable buttons, buckles, etc. that metal detectorists so eagerly seek!)
Their call sign is certainly appropriate, only missing 9.1 percent..
By the way from the broadcast could you ascertain their motive for disclosing this precious information?

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For centuries of not millennia is battlefield were know at how richly the grew crops the next year or two. William put a monastery at Hastings that was famous for its beer. WW one battlefields became farms as soon as the armies moved by.
Maris planted a vineyard at aqua vinte and Saladin an olive grove over one of his battle sites.
The Aztecs gave the heart to the gods, the meat to tacos and bones to the farms of their victims ( they killed off an estamated hundred thousand per year)
 
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For centuries of not millennia is battlefield were know at how richly the grew crops the next year or two. William put a monastery at Hastings that was famous for its beer. WW one battlefields became farms as soon as the armies moved by.
Maris planted a vineyard at aqua vinte and Saladin an olive grove over one of his battle sites.
The Aztecs gave the heart to the gods, the meat to tacos and bones to the farms of their victims ( they killed off an estamated hundred thousand per year)
Great. Tonight was going to be taco night. Not now. Looks like it's leftovers.
 
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My ancestors came from Europe and may or may not have fought at Waterloo.

I'm carrying generations of trauma as will the generations of possible Waterlooians that come after me.

And I demand reparations.

Paying off all my debt and a $1.00 home would be nice too.
Some of my ancestors were executed by Nazis for being part of the Dutch resistance. I'm still waiting on my check from Germany. Any day now....
 
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After Wilson Creek confederate dead were transported to a cemetery in Fayetteville Arkansas. The yanks were tossed in a sinkhole.
Later the union recovered the bodies and transported them to a new cemetery in Springfield Mo. few of any identified
In Shilo there were just trenches to toss the rebels dead into.
It’s disconcerting to pass by stone after stone of ‘unknown’ or just see the outlined trench
Known to none but God.
 

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Heard a report on NPR about Fertilizers, Phosphorous in particular. About 7 years after the Battle of Waterloo, the English dug up many of the 40 thousand men & horses buried on the battle site, and ground the bones into "meal" for fertilizer. Imagine the lack of respect that was lacking at that time; they really DID think differently! This was broadcast weekend of 17th-18th on NPR radio. There was more interesting detail about the flammable remains left from Phosphorous bombing in WW2; who knew? My local station for National Public Radio is WHYY 90.9FM so I imagine it can be found on line. (Not to mention the now-valuable buttons, buckles, etc. that metal detectorists so eagerly seek!)

So as is typical, a report has a lot of holes in the story.
As of last August, NO mass graves of Waterloo soldiers have ever been found. The question still is, are they undiscovered, OR were they never there, OR were they destroyed. This is according to Professor Tony Pollard, director of the Center for Battlefield Archaeology at the University of Glasgow. In fact only one full skeleton has been recovered from the battlefield to date.

So what happened?

So over about a 15 square mile area, they had about 50,000 casualties, men an horses of both sides. The exiting coalition force didn't stop to tend their dead, and the retreating French forces didn't either. The bodies were looted by locals, and then left, and that's a LOT of biomass in a small area, decomposing. Reports from the time period say the locals had to dispose of the bodies as fast as possible, located in the countryside just northeast of Nivelles, Belgium. So they collected up the corpses of men and horses, and the pieces, and burned them to prevent outbreaks of disease. THEN what was left of the bones were either simply left in a pile or were buried.

It's these bones that were dug up seven years later, and ground up for agriculture in 1822. Not exactly as disrespectful as NPR would make it seem. The English imported the ground bones..., I'm not sure they were the ones digging up fields in Belgium and grinding them up. This is based on a report from the the London Observer that claimed more than a million bushels of human and inhuman bones had been imported into England...., (btw ancient mummies from peasant corpses wrapped in a linen sheet and interred into the sand in Egypt were also popular for export to Europe for fertilizer, when they weren't used for fuel on the Egypt-Suez railroad.)

And that newspaper figure is ODD, because a bushel of bone is about 141 lbs. So figure 3 bushels holds the bones of two average soldiers.... So that's the bones of more than 300,000 men... ok some horses thrown in too, but that's WAY TOO HIGH..., so either it was bones from lots of other places including some from Waterloo, OR the paper was full of hokum, and nowhere near that much was imported.

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I cannot imagine the stench or the possibility of real diseases back when disinfectants were scarce and anti-biotics non existent. You always hear about soldiers dying from disease but the toll on civilians must have been several magnitudes of order greater. Just the impact on surface and well water must have been devastating. And then theres all that lead in the soil! (chuckle)
 
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Another instance of battle-dead bodies:

Mrs. McCormick, the owner of the farm where Sam Houston's army beat Santa Anna's army, couldn't get the dead bodies removed.

From: Peggy McCormick.

Disposal of bodies during the Texas Revolution was a problem faced by both the Mexican and Texan armies. Following the Battle of the Alamo and the Goliad Massacre, the Mexican troops burned the bodies of the slain Texans. Following the battle of San Jacinto, Sam Houston made no provisions to dispose of the Mexicans troops killed in the battle and the corpses remained where they lay. Unfortunately for one Texas woman, Margaret “Peggy” McCormick, the decomposing bodies were lying on her property.

Peggy McCormick was born in Ireland in approximately 1788 and immigrated to Stephen F. Austin’s colony with her husband Arthur McCormick and their two sons around 1823. The couple was granted a league of land on the south side of Buffalo Bayou at the junction of the bayou and the San Jacinto River. Arthur died in 1824 leaving Peggy to manage the land with the help of her sons.

In April of 1836, as the Mexican Army was advancing across Texas, Peggy and her sons fled from their land as part of the Runaway Scrape. When they returned a few days after the Battle of San Jacinto, the family found that not only was their corn crop and livestock — more than 230 animals — gone, consumed by both the Mexican and Texan armies, but that their property was littered with the bodies of hundreds of Mexican soldiers. The sight was one that Peggy said would haunt her for the rest of her life. Horrified by the state of her home, Peggy traveled to Sam Houston’s camp to demand that he remove the rotting, smelling corpses.

Houston refused to move the bodies, and instead tried to impress upon McCormick the significance her land now held as the site of Texas independence. McCormick, unimpressed with Houston’s blustering, replied, “To the devil with your glorious history! Take off your stinking Mexicans.” Houston again refused. According to Robert Hancock Hunter, Houston wanted to make Santa Anna bury the bodies but he would not do so. With no other choice, Peggy McCormick and her two sons buried the bodies themselves.

Peggy continued to live her property, growing it to one of the largest cattle operations in Harris County. Unfortunately, most of her land was stolen from her through an unscrupulous land resurvey that was not uncovered until after her death in 1854. Houston’s words to Peggy McCormick, that her land would become a historic site well remembered for its role in Texas history was prophetic. Today the site is part of the San Jacinto Battleground State Historic Site. One of the lakes on the property was renamed “Peggy’s Lake” in honor of this remarkable Texas woman.
 

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