Trekking in general

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  1. Sep 27, 2018 #61

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    Dave,
    I made mine in "the White" so I guess the pigment is a far gone conclusion but I would go with the Spanish brown the next time.
    I may have used more BOL/Mineral spirits than necessary in my process because I soaked the whole tarp in it,drained back what I could but for a 9'x12'tarp there was only about a coffee can left out a gallons of each component.
    I trimmed it down to an 8'x8' that still needs some work to be done reinforcing corners and adding tie downs but I could use it as-is if necessary.
    Baker's books are a good source but sometimes I catch things I missed or misunderstood from a video.
    As with some things, his videos may become as hard to get as his book "The Trackless Forest".
     
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    I do as SL does with a second sole inside. Ive not had to replace one in the woods yet, but am prepared.
    BHs idea is sound. I like it.

    In camp i go barefoot. Wet mocs warm quickly, second set is nice, but... sometimes. I don't go in real cold weather much anymore.
     
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    I usually carry two pairs which counts for a pair on the toots. When it's cold I very much try to keep my feet dry at all costs and have my mocs lined with wool. Through the summer months as mentioned going barefoot is just as comfy around camp!
     
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    As it is, I started making clothing and gear when the weather was better and life being what it is, the weather has turned and I need gear more suitable to the temperature.
    I'm about to embark on a yet another project and this time it will be shoe packs.
    Any advice is welcomed.
    Going with Elk hide and plan to line them with either sheep skin (a retired seat cover) or wool (cut from a blanket).
    I will try to document the venture but it may take a while.
    I am revisiting my skills, correcting bad habits and refining techniques as I go along which is time consuming.
    I'm thankful for the replies, critiques and the sharing of knowledge and experiences.

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    Make certain you wet and pre-stretch your hide before cutting (elk is very stretchy).
    Watch the direction of stretch.
    Make liners from wool blanketing (sheepskin is a poor liner material from personal experience) and put 2-3 layers of wool on the bottom and 1-2 layers on the sides/uppers.
    Get some bison or moose for the soles (Elk is too thin and soft - do not use top-grain vegetable-tan leather).
    Make the soles a little over-sized so you aren't walking on the stitching.
    Make them large enough so your toes have plenty of space when wearing a good wool sock - too tight is bad.
     
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    Thanks for all the tips!!
    I was leaning toward blanket material for a liner and in Mark Baker's article he recommends three layers for an insole.
    Unfortunately, I caught your reply a little late on some things.
    For instance, I cut and punched 3 layers of Elk hide for the soles, the directions only called for the soles to be 1/4" larger all around after rounding the toe section ( my pattern is a little bigger but not by a lot).
    I do plan on giving plenty of toe room but didn't pre-stretch the hide.
    Hopefully, if I made the pattern a little tight this may work in my favor.
    Here's a question :
    Directions call for (and the only info online I found made it look like a different stitch pattern) you to cut lace and attach the sole to the uppers that way showing a stitch pattern that is straight up and down through the holes.
    The pattern I saw online showed a method where you whip stitched outside the seam between the upper layers of sole before coming back straight down again.
    Is this necessary or just that author's style ?

    The article:
    http://johannfactotum.blogspot.com/2017/07/making-ligonier-shoepack.html
     
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    I hope you used an awl and not a hole-punch (punched holes tend to stretch and can be a point of failure). You can lace the sole on if you wish, but I prefer a tight stitch-line to help keep moisture out (the lacing looks messy to me).
    Not certain what you mean by "The pattern I saw online showed a method where you whip stitched outside the seam between the upper layers of sole before coming back straight down again.
    Is this necessary or just that author's style ?"
    Can you clarify?

    These are the ones I wear (oil-tan moose uppers and bison soles):
    20181202_184316.jpg
     
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    Moose worked very well for me, has stood up well for 20 years. Blanket liners with 3 soles, 2 soles for the shoepacks. Very warm and comfortable. ShoePac_big.jpg
    ShoePacs2B copy.jpg

    Buck17K.JPG Spence
     
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    For winter
    The pair I wear during the day (Elk):
    20181202_190735[1].jpg

    The pair carried in my blankets and worn at night (Cow):
    20181202_190801[1].jpg
     
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    When I first got into reenacting I was looking for some way to keep my feet warm in really cold weather, and I found this item from James Trabue, 1779, Westward into Kentucky:
    "We made socks to go over our shews with Buffelo skins puting the wool inside and we had woolen gloves..."
    I didn't have any hair-on buffalo, but I found a mouton/sheepskin coat at the thrift store and used that. I made them just as I had my regular center-seam moccasins, but big enough to wear over them. I sewed an extra elk sole on because sheepskin is not very tough. They have worked very well, are especially warm.

    FurMoc_big.jpg FurMoc3.JPG
    FurMoc2.jpg
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    Unfortunately, I did punch 1/8" holes not awled.
    If it ends up being a problem I'll have to stitch them later on.
    All a part of my education I guess!
    As far as the pattern I mentioned its easier to scroll through the pics on that link than it is to try and explain
     
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    Great job on the sheepskin coat repurposed into shoepacks!!
    I'll be looking for on of this coats now!!
    What makes moose hide better may I ask?
     
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    I doubt that it is. Those were made very early in my reenacting experience, and my understanding of period leather was minimal. I had moose leather for some reason I don't recall, it was nice and thick, so I used it. It has served well, the only thing I noticed about it is that it is stretchy compared to elk, but that hasn't been a problem in this particular use. I've never had cold feet with those on.

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    Spence,
    In the account you posted, is he referring to an over "sock" to cover buckle "shews"?
    I guess I'm going to find out just how stretchy these shoepacks end up being.
    Some how I'm glad I'm using the less stretchy of the two!!
     
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    The quote suggests that hair-on Bison-skin moccasins were made to fit over their shoes.
     
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    I presume so. In other places in his account where he uses the term 'shews' he makes it clear he is. On a spring hunt in 1780 he and two companions encountered some Indians and had to flee for their lives. His description is one of my favorite anecdotes from the old days. They are having a foot race, and he says:
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    I thought so, just wanted to make sure I was interpreting the quote correctly.
    Haven't heard of a reenacter using that method yet
    Reminds me of those WW2 german over boots for guard duty on the eastern front, obviously not a new concept
     
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    Spence,
    That's Hi-Larious!!!
    NOTE TO SELF:
    N hunting
     
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    No Hunting in hostile territory with Shews that don't fit well and brass buckles only!!
     
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    Not exactly, but my sheepskin moccasins are made to fit over my regular moccasins, and it's a combination that works very well.
    FurMoc8.JPG
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