WANTED Trade kettle for trekking

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  1. Jan 12, 2019 #41

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    I have a copper corn boiler made by Westminster Forge. It has a lid, bail and handle. Inside is lined with lead free solder. Only been used at rendezvous to drink cold beverages out of. I would take $40 for it and I would pay shipping.
     

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  3. Jan 13, 2019 #43

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    Might be a gill cup. Very important if it is.
     
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    What pray tell is a gill cup?!
     
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    A gill is 4 oz. A gill cup is a 4oz. little cup, made from copper or pewter. Just google gill cup will have lots of pics.
     
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    That's the American cup. The English Gill cup is purported to be a tad bigger. It was used to dispense the rations of rum to the sailors and others.
     
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    It and the jack were larger at one time. Then George 1, I think, cut it back to 2oz jack and 4oz Gill. So ‘jack fell down and lost his crown then jill(gill) came tumbling after’
     
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    I prefer to travel as light as possible. I use a heavily tinned cup (size of standard coffee version) when the other-half isn't part of the equation. She wants the contents of a Conestoga wagon hauled.

    I have a small 3-legged cast iron pot with a round casting sprue indicating it was made before the change in casting methods that took place around 1770. I felt guilty about using an original piece. A few weeks ago in a antique/junk shop, I found a $20 special that was probably made after the War of the Rebellion (1861-65). Until a decade or two ago, very similar cast iron pots were being made for the African market.

    The "new" one has round ear-lugs, not the "7" shaped ears found before the war. The triangular legs, the scarring of a long casting gate mark was ground off, and the wire bail are later characteristics. The reproductions sold by Townsend are Chinese knock-offs that look good, however, I don't trust recycled Chinese iron products. Later style South African "potjies" are available through Amazon and ebay, and these are not spot on repros.

    For heating water and basic stewing if the other-half is with me, I'll grudgingly take the $20 special. Very few people will look at the underside of the pot, or notice the ear shape. For living history events in settlements, cast iron wouldn't be out of place, although the weight, bulk are reasons I would not haul it around on a trek.
     

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    The Brits mark volume sizes on theirs, and all measuring devices and items such as beer glasses (poured to the level of the crown) . Repros are available on ebay, vendors such as Townsend and several copper smiths. The good old boys at (modern era) Rendezous would probably find these a novelty item that slowed down serious indulging. ;-)
     
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    Thanks Jerry!
     
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    Nice pieces!!
    The first one looks like its cast brass from the lighting of the shot I suppose
     
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    If I had another penny
    I would drink another gill
    I would have the piper play
    "The Bonny Lads O' Byker Hill"

    Chorus: Byker Hill and Walker Shore
    Collier lads forever more
    Byker Hill and Walker Shore
    Collier lads forever more.
    - early 1800s folksong Tyneside, England

    Richard/Grumpa
     
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    I'll drink a gill to that and thy rum I shall not spill, Grumpa!!
     
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    I have the small and medium trade kettle (purchased elsewhere). I used the small kettle last weekend over a fire for soup (and other times, even on the kitchen range) and it works well. I did replace the wooden knob on the small trade kettle for a more PC ring and will do so on the medium kettle as well. One thing I don't like is that the bail is long - I prefer the bail to tuck against the body of the pot and not extend below the bottom when fully down (easier to pack), but I'd need to shorten the bail by a couple of inches before this happens. The spot-welds holding the ears are not PC by any means (could add rivets to improve the appearance) and the solder holding the bottoms wasn't even, so I added a little more solder (It was some time ago, but I vaguely remember the bottoms not being entirely free of leaks either). Generally well-made, other than the issues mentioned

    IIRC - these are more 19th century construction, but I doubt many/any will call you on this detail. Far better by orders of magnitude than the ubiquitous speckled enamelware that isn't remotely correct for through the Fur Trade period (I believe enamelware is correct for the latter half of the 19th century).

    Others at http://www.turkeyfootllc.com/Tinware.html and https://www.crazycrow.com/camping-kettles-and-buckets
     
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    I pondered the SS trade kettle but I am partial to the look of the brass one however it doesn't come with a lid.
    How did you attach the ring to replace the knob?
     
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    I also have the brass kettle and carry it on scouts. This kettle has only been used in camp and at home thus far.
    Made a 3/4" ring from a finish nail or piece of wire and used a Cotter pin to hold it. I cut the legs of the Cotter pin to ~3/8-1/2" and bent them flush with the underside of the lid.
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    Well Done!!
     
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    Simple fix - took longer to get the ring round than anything else.
     
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    Did you heat it and hammer it around a mandrel?
     

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