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In the eyes of the law, is a cannon with out a touch hole considered a fire arm or just an ornament?
is a cannon with out a touch hole considered a fire arm or just an ornament?
sc45-70 said:In the eyes of the ATFE
A cannon WITH a touch hole IS A LAWN ORNAMENT.
AS long as it has a muzzle loading barrel.
Federal law does not consider muzzle loading guns firearms!
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sc45-70 said:The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618
Sec. 921 chapter 16 The term "antique firearm" definition. Paragraph (A) States that any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock,percussion cap)manufactured in or before 1898
or
Paragraph (B)
any replica of any firearm in paragraph (A) if such replica-
(i)is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire amunition,
or
(ii)uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
or
(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder or a black powder substitute and which can not fire fixed ammunition.
Is this enough or do you want more info?
The BATFE does not regulate "antique firearms".
SC45-70
sc45-70 said:In the eyes of the ATFE
A cannon WITH a touch hole IS A LAWN ORNAMENT.
AS long as it has a muzzle loading barrel.
Federal law does not consider muzzle loading guns firearms!
SC45-70
sc45-70 said:The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618
Sec. 921 chapter 16 The term "antique firearm" definition. Paragraph (A) States that any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock,percussion cap)manufactured in or before 1898
or
Paragraph (B)
any replica of any firearm in paragraph (A) if such replica-
(i)is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire amunition,
or
(ii)uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
or
(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder or a black powder substitute and which can not fire fixed ammunition.
sc45-70 said:There is no Federal law to that effect.
NFA does not regulate "antique firearms" Unless they fire commercially avalable fixed ammunition, and fall under the definition of a NFA weapon.
All laws pertaining to "antique firearms" are in
921 (a) (16) regulation 178.11
5845 (g) regulation 179.11
921 (a) (3), 5845 (a) regulation 47.11, 178.11, 179.11
Look in the index section of your regulation book under Antique Firearm.
None of these regulations say anything about caliber.
I think the regulation you are looking for is paragraph (C)
Since there is no maximum caliber listed it covers all calibers.
Hope this helps. :thumbsup:
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Nope that's not it, this definition only applies to weapon covered by GCA. GCA doesn't extend to NFA weapons.sc45-70 said:Section 5845 Definitions (f) (2)destructive devices.
ONLY APPLY TO FIREARMS THAT FIRE SELF CONTAINED AMMUNITION IT DOES NOT APPLY TO MUZZLE LOADING FIREARMS no matter the date of manufacture. The definition of an antique firearm in the NFA section is basicly the same as the GCA version.
Paragraph (C)states ANY muzzleloading rifle ,muzzle loading shotgun or muzzleloading pistol.
Since in paragraph (C) there is NO definition of what constitutes a muzzleloading rifle,shotgun, or pistol, NO mention of the date of manufacture of a muzzleloader, and NO bore size requirement.
AS long as it loads from the muzzle it is LEGAL!
:thumbsup:
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sc45-70 said:The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618
Sec. 921 chapter 16 The term "antique firearm" definition. Paragraph (A) States that any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock,percussion cap)manufactured in or before 1898
or
Paragraph (B)
any replica of any firearm in paragraph (A) if such replica-
(i)is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire amunition,
or
(ii)uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
or
(C)any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder or a black powder substitute and which can not fire fixed ammunition.
Is this enough or do you want more info?
The BATFE does not regulate "antique firearms".
SC45-70
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