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  1. Sep 16, 2019 #1481

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    I wouldn't exactly call him a scholar, he never even finished high school did he? But I hear He did like books.
     
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    I didn't call him a scholar, I said he was "well educated".
    He was self-educated and a lawyer. No small task if you ask me.
    Of course I suspect you knew all this to begin with.
     
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    And you knew studious means scholarly. I agreed he liked books. I never said he wasn't a "high brow from Harvard". I agree he was a self educated man, nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Abe Lincoln visited my state capitol city of Hartford, Connecticut on March 5, 1860.
    The next day The Hartford Courant newspaper published the text of his speech which was about abolishing slavery.

    Here is the text of his speech:--->>> https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln4/1:2?rgn=div1;view=fulltext

    The newspaper page with a brief intro.--->>> https://www.courant.com/courant-250...ncoln-visits-hartford-20140227-htmlstory.html

    FWIW, The Hartford Courant is the country’s oldest newspaper in continuous publication and was founded prior to the Declaration of Independence. --->>> https://connecticuthistory.org/the-oldest-newspaper-in-continuous-publication/


    The civil war didn't begin until April 12, 1861 when Ft. Sumter was attacked.
     
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    I must say, "I am surprised". That speech in Hartford by Lincoln actually contained the N word several times.
     
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    Fine writing and oratory does not make up for what Lincoln actually did. When he issued the Emancipation Proclamation, he deliberately LEFT OUT portions of the States in Rebellion from the Slaves there being emancipated. There is not much more telling on his hypocrisy, because he had the authority to free the Slaves in all the areas of the States in Rebellion and he....did....not....do....it.

    Further, he worked to send all former slaves overseas, until the last year of the War and only stopped when Congress would not authorize the funds to do it.

    Gus
     
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    Are you saying he wasn't studious ?
     
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    That would depend on your definition of studious. Google says it means scholarly, academic. And it also says book-loving. So it sounds like you nailed it (partially)
     
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    A good orator "speaks" to his audience.
    Also, the N-word didn't become a racial slur until the 20th century, for reasons we can't discuss.
     
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    I'm saying it takes a "studious" and intelligent man to educate himself and become a lawyer in a time when K-12 education was not compulsory. Even more so for a dirt poor farmer who didn't have the advantage of being privileged.
     
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    Yeah, but to his Connecticut audience? And I agree the" N word" was used in everyday speech back then. Like In Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. Now they want to crucify Mark Twain for doing so.
     
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    Then make sure your children read it.
     
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    Why not? There were Southerners and those with southern interests in the crowd for sure.
     
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    There more than likely were some in the audience with "Southern Interests". But actual Southeners, in Connecticut? How many you reckon?
     
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    As POTUS, he had a rebellion to quash, and to restore the Union rather than let it splinter into pieces. He did it. Not getting other things at the same time were a little less important on the grand scale of things. Are you upset he couldn't walk on water and chew gum at the same time?

    I guess some people might think southern units during the Gettysburg campaign snapping up every black they encountered north of the Potomac, then sending them south into slavery (whether they were born in the south, or free in the north) failed at their mission to enslave or re-enslave every black living in North America.
     
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    That's Not new to anyone who was half awake during a grade School History Lesson. Is there a point here?
     
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    What's your point?
     
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    I've heard about people who answer a question with a question.
     
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    All of them, though they may not have attended in person, his voice traveled south for all to hear. By newspaper and by telegraph.
     
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    The path to freedom is often full of potholes and road apples.
     

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