Probably Scheutzen. Swiss is top notch stuff from what I've seen in low fouling and consistent performance. You use 10% less Swiss than the equivalent Goex/Scheutzen load too.OK. If you had to select the absolute best BP that would be the closest in quality and performance to GOEX, what would it be?
Not sure what this has to do with muzzleloading, but you need to look at their website again. Also, it is pretty easy to develop Bi loads from Pb loads, but there are explicit Bi loads for Longshot. I use them.Just my 2 cents...........
They brought out "new" and "improved" powders, such as longshot, but DID NOT produce new data for said powders for bismuth,
It appears that they have discontinued all of the single based shotshell powders, so 4756, 800x, PB, and 4759 are all gone. They HAD made IMR Blue that was to replicate Blue Dot, but that appears to have been discontinued.800x is discontinued? Oh for pete's sakes!
"All" they have to do? It's likely a decaying empty building. Even if they did re-start, they won't be selling any to us folks. They will source overseas, surely.The military has a mothballed BP factory in Indiana. All they have to do is activate it for their supply. OR just buy it overseas.
Hope you are right about the mid-terms.Guys, something is definitely going on-and insiders know it. I predict that
within a year we will all know it. The Boston Bombers bought large
pyrotechnics that are now harder to get -and they contained black
powder. Congress needs to hold the line on gun & ammo control
this spring, and block the bills for registration and ammo background
checks that are coming - until we can vote the rascals out in the 2022
Recall former gov. Cuomo saying, "you don't need ten bullets to kill a deer!"; that's all that politicians think shooting is about. You make some good points here, thanks.Just my 2 cents...........
I am extremely P.O.d with Hodgdon right now.........they control about 90% of the smokeless powder market; they bought Dupont, and control the company that makes Ramshot and Accurate powders. They have decided to quit manufacturing SR 4756 and SR 7625 several years ago......I used both powders quite a bit, for both handguns and shotshells, specifically bismuth loads in 12 and 16 gauge. They brought out "new" and "improved" powders, such as longshot, but DID NOT produce new data for said powders for bismuth, slugs, ect. If you check out there data, they have powders listed that they haven't made in YEARS (such as HS7), and of the "new" data that did produce, they have listed components that haven't been manufactured in years.
Now, not only are they not making GOEX anymore, and leaving black powder shooters in a lurch, but they've discontinued dupont's 800-X, which I used as a substitute for the aforementioned 4756. I'm glad I stocked up before all the panic buying........but I still would like "options".
I'm guessing that they figure everyone can just suffer and shoot pyrodex..........if you can find it. I will purchase some (what other choice do I have right now) and use it to punch paper and break clays, but when the targets have fur or feathers, I'll be using 'real' BP as long as I can. I don't care for pyrodex......I have had several bad experiences with it in cold weather, but now what other choice do I have?
I wish Alliant would step up to the plate..............they discontinued their BP substitute (I don't know what it was......I never used it; I just saw that it was discontinued on their website), and their reloading data becomes sparser and sparser every year. I have TONS of reloading data for nontoxic shot, but as I stated earlier, the components (specifically wads) are no longer being made.............Winchester, Remington, and Federal have all discontinued most of their lines (I've heard that Remington will no longer be selling reloading components).
I wish I could tell Hodgdon to go to hell, but they are pretty much the only game in town right now.................too bad, as their policies are just as bad as the antigunners/antihunters in congress.
As for stopping imports: Some of you may remember the Boston marathon bombing; there was a politician (cant remember who, exactly) that was pushing for a ban of sales of BP to private individuals, due to the "destructive" nature of BP, and was working on introducing a bill to do such. Someone asked him about reenactors and hunters, to which he basically replied that he didn't give a damn. He was quickly shot down when it was discovered that the bombers used powder obtained from legal fireworks to make the pressure cooker bomb. We've seen what a one sided congress can do to this country in short order......
I wish I could predict the future with some certainty, but with the world being the way it is right now, my crystal ball is kinda cloudy..........let's just hope and pray that God is a BP shooter.................................
Problem is, none of those powders are available, because Hodgdon owns or controls the lion's share.When I see all the powders available to reloaders in the reload manuals, I've sometimes thought, we often take for granted that all these amazing products are available freely to load, experiment, etc. (I'm not a reloader myself, requires too much patience!) Maybe that's why I like muzzleloading, no cartridge involved!
Unlike muzzleloading and blackpowder, smokeless has a reletively narrow window of usage. Real blackpowder is idiot proof. You can load a 10 gauge shotgun with FFFFg or Fg, even cannon grade, it all goes bang.When I see all the powders available to reloaders in the reload manuals, I've sometimes thought, we often take for granted that all these amazing products are available freely to load, experiment, etc. (I'm not a reloader myself, requires too much patience!) Maybe that's why I like muzzleloading, no cartridge involved!
what is has to do with muzzleloading is this: they (Hodgdon) really don't give a damn about muzzleloading/blackpowder shooters who shoot traditional ( specifically flintlock) firearms; they are basically saying "screw you" to large section of shooters/sportsmen who have bought their products for YEARS.....and now, as stated by someone else, they own or control the lion's share of the powder market, so "take what we have to offer and piss off"..............Not sure what this has to do with muzzleloading, but you need to look at their website again. Also, it is pretty easy to develop Bi loads from Pb loads, but there are explicit Bi loads for Longshot. I use them.
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