The difference between straps?

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    Okay, so, this question went nowhere in a thread in the craftsman section. I think the gist of it can apply to other items we deliberate over the correctness of as well.
    If I placed a picture here of two straps of matching color/s and material, powder horn strap, bag strap, leg ties for leggings, whatever their purpose, one is made on an inkle loom and the other on a tape loom,,,,, can one tell the difference between them and which was made on which loom? And, just as importantly if not more so, how?
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    Technically, it would be tough to tell. The Tape loom's action normally gives you one weaving "set", and any variation comes with varying the colors chosen among the warp and the weft. It's really designed to give you "tape", used for attaching or fastening. The Inkle loom, functions basically like a tape loom, but by it's design lends itself to the making of more elaborate patterns.... the tape looms is faster at making basic tape, while the slower Inkle gives the skilled weaver more pattern options, and the max width of the finished product I think can be wider on the Inkle as well.

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    It seems to me the primary problem with an Inkle Loom is that it was not invented until the early 20th century and folks using them at historic demonstrations. Sort of like using a cast Iron, foot powered treadle lathe that wasn't available until after the UnCivil War. Both items require human power/labor, but neither are correct for our period.

    In other threads members have mentioned strap and back looms, as mentioned in Doddridge and other documentation, and how the results of using different types of period looms would or at least could give you the same results as an Inkle loom - as long as one used PC correct materials to weave.

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    Thank you gentlemen. The inkle loom being too late for our period is the reason I ask the question. And so, as I understand your answers, the answer is no. No, one would not be able to tell that a person's strap, whatever the purpose, had been woven on an inkle loom, so long as the pattern is kept pretty simple, within the confines of what would have been possible on the earlier tape loom.

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    Artificer,
    What then is a "backstrap" loom and is it period?
     
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    I suspect a backstrap loom is probably one of the most ancient types of loom. I believe Kenton (IIRC) was purported to weave sashes on such a loom.
     
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    Or was it Lewis Wetzel? Doddridge? I know I saw it somewhere...
     
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    It looks like it would be good for that.
    You just need to come up with the accoutrements to go with it
     
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    I'm not a fan of sashes - prefer a belt.
    My woven hemp straps (canteen & powderhorn) were created using an inkle loom to hold the warp then woven under-1/over-1 or under-2/over-2.
    Note I said hold the warp, not inkle-woven.

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    "Note I said hold the warp, not inkle-woven."
    Why is that important?
     
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    Because no string heddles were used as would be used when inkle weaving. The loom was only used to hold the long warps.
     
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    Thank you Brokennock for starting this thread! And thank you all for your answers!! it all makes a lot more sense now!
     

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