TC Hawken Discontinued

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  1. Jan 16, 2020 #81

    ugly old guy

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    I've known a few (me mum for one) who had difficulty remembering what they were talking about 10 or 15 seconds ago (during the late stags of Alzheimer's and Dementia), and others (like me) who cannot reliably recall what it was they was talking about (or with whom) 10 or 15 days ago, most of the time.
    I admit I usually have to check to see what I said in a post that someone "likes" or if they quote me.
    Sometimes it's like … "I don't remember posting in that thread … what the heck did I say? " :(
     
  2. Jan 16, 2020 #82

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    Seeing as we frequently chat about guns that are two hundred years old then chatting up a thread that is only 8 years old sounds pretty new to me!! Greg
     
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  3. Jan 16, 2020 #83

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    I cannot understand how I can remember words to a song I heard in 1978, but cannot for the life of me, recall WHY I came into the kitchen :confused::(:mad:
     
  4. Jan 17, 2020 #84

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    If anybody knows what I did with my coffee cup this morning, please let me know. I thought maybe I'd have another cup or three, and I'll be danged if I can find it...had to break out a clean one. The wife claims she didn't hide it, but I'm suspicious. :dunno:
     
  5. Jan 18, 2020 #85

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    Hmmm. Turns out I hid it from myself in the microwave. :doh:
     
  6. Jan 18, 2020 #86

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    I was going to suggest looking in the cabinet where the reloading supplies and powder are kept. That’s where I hid mine last time!
     
  7. Jan 18, 2020 #87

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    30xoupe, was the microwave a HC one? Now I need to go find my coffee cup.
     
  8. Jan 19, 2020 #88

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    If so inclined a guy can assemble a T/C Hawken or Renegade from used/new parts. Check out Ebay and some other auction sites and they are around. There are some other sources for rebuilding these gems like TOW and The gun works. Green Mountain is still making round ball twist drop in barrels and if you look around there are a few 1:28" fast twist barrels available. All is not lost...
     
  9. Jan 19, 2020 #89

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    But at what cost Rob?Alot of money grubbers would rather part out a complete rifle than sell it whole so they can make more.
     
  10. Jan 19, 2020 #90

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    I HVE NO TROUBLE WHATEVER IN REMEMBERING THINGS FROM THE PAST. IT IS FLAWLESS.
    MY DAUGHTER SAYS IT RESEMBLES THE PAST THAT I AM REMBERING BUT I HAVE IT ALL WRONG.
    KIDS!
    DUTCH
     
  11. Jan 20, 2020 #91

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    Makes no sense buying parts to rebuild a low quality T.C.There are much better muzzle loaders in kit form out there
     
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    Eugene, why in your opinion do you consider TC to be low quality? Greg
     
  13. Jan 20, 2020 #93

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    I HAD WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE WITH A TC HAWKEN KIT.
    COULD YOU NAME SOME OF THE OTHER KITS AND THEIR PRICES.PRICE IS A FREQUENT LIMITER ON THE DECISION TO INVEST IN A KIT.
    DUTCH
     
  14. Jan 20, 2020 #94

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    You hit the nail on the head Dutch.
     
  15. Jan 20, 2020 #95

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    Over 40 years I've been shooting flinters, One problem is and always has been frizzens, they never took the initative To remedy this problem.Their lock parts are very course which makes them slow, the trigger assembly is also on the crude side, A lot of their, which makes barrels are drilled off center, which makes them hard to sight in especially if the run out is off to the side. After market assemblies are locks & triggers, high quality parts. T,C. is a nicely finished gun & good just for hunting.
     
  16. Jan 21, 2020 #96

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    T/C Hawken is/was low quality?

    How so?

    The factory finished (percussion) .54 caliber T/C Hawken I have is not a low quality gun.

    Fit of wood to metal is excellent. There are no gaps of fillers, anywhere.
    The lock has excellent colors, and works perfectly.

    The bluing on all steel parts is even, all the brass is polished to the same high luster.

    It has never failed to or had a hang-fire when I've shot it. And yes, it does have the original coil spring lock on it.
    The previous owner(s) never "upgraded" (note quotes) to a V-Spring lock.
    So long as it works, I have no intention of "upgrading" (note quotes) the lock, either. Why "fix" what isn't broken?

    I'll admit the T/C Hawken and Renegade are not an historically accurate depiction of any gun.
    So what? I am not doing living history events. I don't care about historical accuracy or if it is "period correct".
    I cannot afford historically accurate, and especially not "period correct" since what was used or worn in say the "Colonial Period" is not necessarily "Period Correct" for any portion of the Fur Trade Era/Period.
    As a matter of fact, back in the Colonial and Fur Trade eras, most folk didn't reach my age alive, so I am not, and cannot be "historically Accurate" or "Period Correct", seeing as how I am still looking down at the grass, and not up at the grass.

    Yes, there are high quality component kits of historically accurate and "period correct" rifles on the market.
    The finished quality of the gun will, of course vary according to the skills of whoever assembled the kit. Particularly if any final fitting of components to the stock is involved, or (heavens forbid) they have to inlet the lock and/or barrel themselves.

    FYI, those kits also cost 3 or 4 times more than a used T/C Hawken or Renegade in excellent to like new never shot condition. Not everyone has $1200 plus laying around, or to spare that they an spend on a muzzleloader, be it kit or finished.

    "BUT ... BUT ... The can save up for one!..." (end quote)
    True. They could ... possibly ... might be able to. It would depend on their financial situation; How much remains after paying the rent/mortgage and all the bills, buying food, clothes, fuel for the car(s) and so on.

    I possibly could. However, it would not be very practical or realistic for me to do so.
    After paying my rent I have all of $100 left for the month.
    I haven't had a car since 1995 (by choice) to feed or maintain (or to buy insurance and registration for), so that helps some. (I ride a bicycle or adult trike. There is no public transportation here.)
    I live at an assisted living facility, so my utilities and food is included in the rent, which helps a lot.

    How many years do you think it would take me to save up for one of those kits? (Keep in mind inflation will raise the kit price enough that I will probably have to save up for a minimum of an additional 4 or 5 months for every year that I'm saving.)

    I could save up enough for a kit that sells for $1250 today, If I could set aside $50 (half my income after paying rent every month), it would take me about 6 years to save up what that kit sells for today. (plus sales tax and shipping, of course)
    Who knows what it will cost in 5 or 6 years?
    Double or even triple today's price would not surprise me in the least.

    Realistically, inflation would always keep it out of reach.

    Even if by some miracle inflation didn't keep it out of reach, and I came up with the funds in just 5 or 6 years ... Do I have 5 or 6 years left? If I do have 5 or 6 years left, do I have enough years left to assemble and enjoy using the kit before I get planted? (In the latter instance, probably not.)
     
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    WHAT PARTICULAR NAIL DID I HIT ON THE HEAD?
     
  18. Jan 22, 2020 #98

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    I hope every nail you've ever struck.
    Otherwise you may have (probably? did?) hit your thumb, instead, and did the squished thumb dance, while saying naughty words. Embarrassing the retired Marine Drill Sargant who lives down the block with such language. :)
    (and maybe have thrown the hammer through a closed window.)
     
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    You drove the nail all the way home with that analogy Ugly.
     
  20. Jan 23, 2020 #100

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    You go ugly old guy. I built my 50 cal TC Hawken kit back in late 70's to early 80's. It is just as accurate today as back then. Still my finest work so far. Spent a year building it. Driving nails? Thats what nail guns are for right?
    DL
     

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