SAR/DAR Members?

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  1. Jul 29, 2019 #41

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    Please do not take this as personal criticism, but I thought this may be a good thing to inform others.

    Our family historian, my Sister, long ago learned there are many problems with tracing family members with Ancestry.com and those problems continue today. My Sister has researched 8 of our family lines as far back as possible and hit all kinds of snags/wrong turns/foibles with the site; though it can be a good starting point in some cases. For example, in two of those family lines, Ancestry.com was wrong by the mid 19th century, let alone the 18th century.

    I know this because my Sister had to research in many local ancestral document locations in Virginia and Pennsylvania to correct the info Ancestry.com had and she even had to join some societies to get the correct information. Also, until she made her research "private" on that site, she got all kinds of inquiries from people who were not related to us.

    Now I hope no one thinks I'm advocating against Ancestry.com, but don't be surprised when such things come up.

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  2. Jul 30, 2019 #42

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    I have been a member of the SAR for over 20 years. Have served as president of my local chapter on two different terms and was honored to serve as State President of the Alabama State Society years ago. I can assure I am not a doctor, lawyer, retired general, but just a regular working guy, now retired. At one time, joining the SAR or DAR was sometimes more a matter of your position in society and who you knew, but not any more. The older SAR applications that are posted on Ancestry.com are not acceptable as proof of lineage because during the period they were submitted, proof requirements were much more lax than they are today. Those old applications can still be valuable to give you a road map to begin your application. Today's SAR applicants must submit documentary proof of each generation on their application back to their Revolutionary War ancestor. This includes proving marriage at each generation where the surname changes. Ancestry.com can be and is a valuable resource for documentation, but family trees on Ancestry.com are not acceptable proof. There are many other web sites that are of great value, Fold3.com and FamilySearch.com being two good ones. Obituaries, FindAGrave.com pages and family history books that are not referenced are other items that cannot be used as proof. Most chapters and state societies have a member appointed as a registrar who's job is to assist an applicant in properly filling out their application and obtaining the required documentation for proof of lineage. I do not know what state you are in or what chapter you were trying to join, but I encourage you to try again. If you cannot get in contact with anyone in your local SAR chapter, go to the state web site and contact the state registrar for assistance. You can join as a member-at-large if you do not want to join a chapter. I have met some of the nicest gentlemen of all walks of life in the SAR and I highly recommend joining for anyone interested in honoring our first veterans.
    If I can be of any assistance, let me know.

    James K. Barksdale
    Black Warrior River Chapter, SAR
    Tuscaloosa, AL
    jkbarksdale@hotmail.com
     
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  3. Jul 30, 2019 #43

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    Rocklocks Only I hear you about the doctors & lawyers.. My chapter has those as well as college professors. I joined a few years back and after a few meetings where I felt like the Black dude at a Klan rally I stopped going.. Maybe it's just my location ? I have no idea but they were having the meetings at one of those fancy restaurants where a grilled cheese sandwich is 12 bucks and after the usual pleasantries welcoming me into the group were over everyone went about their usual routine of talking among themselves and generally ignoring me. It was odd.. The farmers and the carpenters and regular folks like that are the ones who did the fighting during the war and here's these elite snobs who have never had dirt under their fingernails running the show. I let my membership lapse after the first year. It's not for me. But I did all the hard stuff getting the paperwork gathered up and submitting it and now if my son or grandsons ever have an interest all they have to do is show proof of their link to me. If you have all your stuff together just find out when & where they meet and show up at a meeting. The public is usually welcome. Or contact the State chapter and tell them your local guy is blowing you off. It's worth doing even if you find that you don't end up staying. Apologies if any members of the Kings Mountain Tennessee chapter are here but I'm a retired auto mechanic living on Social Security and I simply can't afford a couple hundred bucks a year not to mention the $50 a plate dinners at the meetings. And trying to find a place to park my 16 year old S10 among all the Mercedes and BMWs... lol Nope...
     
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  4. Jul 30, 2019 #44

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    Rocklocks Only,

    Dont give up! Contact the SAR directly and they can put you in touch with another chapter in your state!
    It is a slow process but worth the wait!
     
  5. Jul 31, 2019 #45

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    Take heart, Rocklock! There are lots of members who aren't doctors or lawyers, and some that are. I am none of those things and not a member either but that's my choice. My mother was a DAR member, and she was a nurse - an RN. My daughter is a member too and she's a schoolteacher. My father would have nothing to do with the SAR and I guess I caught that gene from him. During the Bicentennial I was on a job in New England and joined one of the state-chartered Bicentennial Militia organizations. Our CO was a member of the SAR and he was very eager to have others join, but quite frankly it seemed that a lot of the members I met were much more impressed with their own membership than I'm comfortable with.
    Besides - Why would I pay dues to a bunch of strangers to formally acknowledge what I already know and can prove is true?
    There floats my stick,
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  6. Aug 1, 2019 #46

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    That was the other hitch. I’m waaaay into education and passing along this stuff to the youth but every time I asked about activities the chapter was involved in it was meetings, cocktails and restaurants. No outreach, no school programs no public events. I don’t know if all chapters are that way or just my local one but I’m already doing more than they are on my own. It may be that my expectations don’t line up with their goals.
    Next weekend our local sportsman’s club is doing their youth field day and we run almost a hundred kids through a lot of stations of which I have the muzzleloader station. I’ve been doing that for over a decade.
    Yeah well.
     
  7. Aug 2, 2019 #47

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    I don't believe DAR and SAR are at all interested in educating people, old or young.
    After all,as they might say, "That's what our schools are for.":rolleyes:

    I'm sure many of them would be more than happy to tell a person about their blood line back to someone who was in the AWI but beyond that, the only history many of them know is the war took place "a long time ago".
     
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    Zonie, I cannot believe you would utter these disparaging remarks about two very fine organizations that you obviously know absolutely nothing about. Both the SAR and DAR are heavily involved in educating the public, especially our youth. We feel we must do this as the public schools no longer do. Both organizations give away thousands of dollars annually to young people of all ages through contests and scholarships. I invite you to go to the SAR national website, (SAR.org), and look under the heading EDUCATION.
    Are their arrogant men and women in the SAR and DAR who may think they are better than someone else, yes. But, that is the exception. I do not care what organization you name, whether fraternal like the SAR or churches or muzzleloading groups, you will always find individuals like that. The Arizona Society has eight chapters located throughout the state. May I suggest you attend one or more of their meetings. Meetings are always open to guests, both men and women. You may just find some really nice people there who share some of the same interests as you.
     
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    You, SAR and DAR have my profound apologies for my comments.
     
  10. Aug 3, 2019 #50

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    Zonie my sister is a regent for the DAR and has struggled to get people to understand just what it took to create this country and how much it has cost to keep us free. I have not said anything up to this point but one of the main missions of the DAR and SAR is to educate people about the creation of this Nation. Yes I could be in the SAR and just have not taken the time to go through the application process. My family has paid the highest price one could for this Nation even before it was a Nation we have been in every military conflict right up today, where I have grandchildren serving in our military. I don't like anyone disrespecting the price it takes to be free. Thank you for your apology
     
  11. Aug 3, 2019 #51

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    New member here - recently acquired a T/C Hawken - 54 cal and will have questions about it later.
    As current State President in Massachusetts I feel obligated to add my 2 cents to this discussion.
    As with any volunteer run organization, you will encounter various levels of motivation in those entrusted with their roles in leadership. Sometimes, guys at the top have been there forever and are not very motivated. We find it quite difficult to get new blood interested in leadership roles at the State Level here but try very hard to keep the good people going, and the old timers escorted to the sidelines. In Massachusetts we have the Board of Managers and anyone can attend those meetings to add their opinion. Too often we see members experience what TNBandit expressed above and give up. One or two Chapter Meetings don't always represent the entire organization well. In Massachusetts we have 8 Chapters plus we have the State Color Guard. We encourage members to attend meetings at different Chapters and sign up for any of the 3 State sponsored events that we put on each year. We are very interested in teaching here and our Youth Awards program is getting bigger and bigger every year. Sounds to me like Rocklock should step-up and try to motivate some change.

    Robert Bossart
    State President - Massachusetts Society
    Sons of the American Revolution
     
  12. Aug 4, 2019 #52

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    In my family the SAR/DAR status is completely forgotten by all but me. My siblings don’t care. My dad and aunt and uncle do not care. Tell you the truth, the whole introduction to it I got was at age fourteen or so I was shown an enormous and very old book that rests in a museum, but which is owned and maintained by our cousins. My name and my siblings’ names were there in the book, and we each had a number. My distant relative who showed us our number was excited about it. But it meant nothing to us beyond that. And we are descended from Conrad Weiser and General Muhlenberg, among others, pretty neat people, so you'd think family members would be into it. They’re not. None of my cousins give a hoot. They think it’s anachronistic and snooty. For me, it’s inspiring; if America has another revolution or civil war, I’ll be in the thick of it and happy to give my life for liberty. I’m getting old anyhow. Might as well go out with a bang
     
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    Rocklocks would love to initiate some change but he can’t even get in the gates. I’m not complaining merely stating facts. Two years of frustration. Months between returned phone calls and my opinion that scholarships don’t equal education. I was looking for groups that do events, fairs, school programs and hands on activities. I mentioned that to the leaders of my local SAR and they seemed skeptical. I’m only home 4 or 5 days a month and when I am I volunteer at local sportsman’s clubs and a nearby fort. It may be that my ideas of education don’t line up with the SAR’s ideas. That’s fine. I’ve no ax to grind and although I’m from Penn’s Sylvania maybe I should join a group In Mass. or Alabama as they seem to be more active!
     
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    Recently have had my application sent to National to be approved. My ancestor was Col. Thomas Beatty. I have attended many meetings of my local chapter and I must say they have always been very interested in education. They sponsor a local battle from the Revolution and many other local events. I am a reenactor, maybe the only one in the chapter, and I always try to educate. I am also a veteran and very proud of my heritage.
     
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    Since my mother was a member of the DAR would my application for the SAR be honored?
     
  16. Aug 9, 2019 #56

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    Check your mother's application for her member number. If her member number is higher than 688702 and it was approved after January 1, 1985, it should be accepted by SAR as proof of lineage. If her membership was earlier, it is still possible her application could be used.
    This is often the problem with older men wanting to use their grandmother's DAR application to join the SAR. Those applications generally are too old to be used. The SAR has the same problem with their older applications. There was a time when the requirements for proving your lineage for membership in the the DAR or SAR was not as stringent as it is now.
    Best of luck.
     
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    Mine was.
    But I believe that more is required now.
     

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