ruger old army subs

[MichaelJCarpino]

Has anyone here had success with a bp sub(777) in the ruger old army? I would like to avoid breaking it down everytime or packing the internals with grease. I do not mind cleaning my single shot muzzleloaders because they contain less small parts. My father's Italian cap and ball revolver eventually locked up internally and I had to clean it out and buy new parts. He is older so I am not sure what his cleaning regime was. Thanks! The Ruger has never been fired with BP. It has clean internals because I disassembled it after I bought it. It is a 1973 blued model. I have fired 45LC with a kirst coverter.

 

[Boston Bill]

I have had excellent results with 777. I recently threw away target that had load info since I don't use 777 anymore and don't remember the load info.

 

[William Lincoln]

The ROA is a tough old gal. Anything that you can use in an Italian Revolver
can be used in the ROA and more. Do not sell it. I made that mistake years ago.

 

[Boston Bill]

Works great with a conversion cylinder also!

 

[azmntman]

Mine really likes the now N/A Black MZ. 777 was fine too

 

[leadhoarder]

Tons of videos out there of folks using just about any sub out there in percussion revolvers. With the nipple being a direct connection to the breach area of the chambers ignitions seems to not be an issue.

 

[Old Hawkeye]

Has anyone here had success with a bp sub(777) in the ruger old army? I would like to avoid breaking it down everytime or packing the internals with grease. I do not mind cleaning my single shot muzzleloaders because they contain less small parts. My father's Italian cap and ball revolver eventually locked up internally and I had to clean it out and buy new parts. He is older so I am not sure what his cleaning regime was. Thanks! The Ruger has never been fired with BP. It has clean internals because I disassembled it after I bought it. It is a 1973 blued model. I have fired 45LC with a kirst coverter.

Switching to 777 is not going to change the cleaning requirements one bit.

 

[Justin.44]

@Old Hawkeye is correct, using 777 is not going to dirty up your revolver any less, it's still gonna be filthy with corrosive fouling when you're done and take just as much work to get it clean.

I personally don't strip my revolvers down completely every range trip, but every now and then I do (every 4 or 5 trips) and find that whatever little bit of fouling is in the internals come out easily and then it's good to go for a while. Just me personally, I know some guys do it every time.

 

[MichaelJCarpino]

Has anyone here had success igniting Blackhorn 209 with a #11 magnum cap? I know it is not advised on the Blackhorn website .

 

[Dude]

All of these SA revolvers are really simple. With the right screw drivers they're fun puzzles and really not difficult.

 

[Boston Bill]

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[Boston Bill]

Has anyone here had success igniting Blackhorn 209 with a #11 magnum cap? I know it is not advised on the Blackhorn website .

Never tried Blackhorn. Love the Holy Black!

 

[Bad Karma]

Has anyone here had success with a bp sub(777) in the ruger old army? I would like to avoid breaking it down everytime or packing the internals with grease. I do not mind cleaning my single shot muzzleloaders because they contain less small parts. My father's Italian cap and ball revolver eventually locked up internally and I had to clean it out and buy new parts. He is older so I am not sure what his cleaning regime was. Thanks! The Ruger has never been fired with BP. It has clean internals because I disassembled it after I bought it. It is a 1973 blued model. I have fired 45LC with a kirst coverter.

Why don’t you want to grease the interior of the ruger? It’s the only way to avoid stripping the gun every time you use it. And it works. Before I began using Mobil one synthetic grease I oiled the interior heavily and only stripped it every four or five outings. I had zero problem with corrosion. Now I clean the interior every year or two and I have zero problems with corrosion. I shoot every week, often many times per week. If I had to strip the guns every time I shot them I would probably be shooting unmentionables.

 

[William Lincoln]

Blackhorn needs a duplex (kicker) load to have sure ignition with reg caps.
It is made for 209 primers in mmls. In our traditionals it works excellent--
but precharge with 3f or 4f BP. 10 to 15% kicker loaded first, then Blackhorn.
Now be sure your gun is sound and proven. Always have a gunsmith inspect
your rifle if it is your first time out with it,or if you have not used more powerful
subs like T-7 or Blackhorn. Wear hearing and eye protection. Early BP manuals
mention duplex loads. HOWEVER ,NEVER DUPLEX WITH SMOKELESS, ONLY WITH
DIFFERENT GRADES OF BLACK POWDER! I first tried it after reading Sam Fadala's
Black Powder Handbook way back when. REMEMBER TO REDUCE YOUR LOADS
WHEN USING HOTTER SUBSTITUTES BY ATLEAST 10-15%. PLAY SAFE.

 

[MichaelJCarpino]

I'll probably end up greasing internals if I decide to shoot the black powder cylinder. I have on occasion had mobil 1 grease separate out on occasion and make a huge mess. Usually it separated out from a grease gun. I was just trying to keep the workload down and preserve the pistol. Thank you all for the responses

 

[45D]

It may separate some initially but it is not a continuous thing. I've packed the frames of all my revolvers for years and it's never been a problem in storage or use.

Mike

 

[Bergmann]

Has anyone here had success with a bp sub(777) in the ruger old army? I would like to avoid breaking it down everytime or packing the internals with grease. I do not mind cleaning my single shot muzzleloaders because they contain less small parts. My father's Italian cap and ball revolver eventually locked up internally and I had to clean it out and buy new parts. He is older so I am not sure what his cleaning regime was. Thanks! The Ruger has never been fired with BP. It has clean internals because I disassembled it after I bought it. It is a 1973 blued model. I have fired 45LC with a kirst coverter.

777 works great. Just use any opened can quickly because it seems to weaken with age/exposure to air! From a newly opened can I get excellent results in my "chunk gun". After letting the can sit for a year I couldn't even keep the shots on paper at 60yds! It is just about as corrosive as BP. So if it gets in the works it is going to cause rust.

 

[skyhigh315]

T7 works GREAT in my ROA.

 

[shorthair]

Both me and a buddy used pyrodex pistol with great results, he used a much heavier load by filling the chamber then ramming that down and repeating that 2 more times before loading the ball and lubeing the chamber. He has used this method for year's now with no signs of wear yet, no guess as to just how much powder he crammed in there but he shot 3-4" groups off hand at 25 yards and had few problems head shooting grouse.

 

[William Lincoln]

The only squibs and misfires traceable to powder I have had were for subs-
and yes T-7 draws moisture fast when exposed to air. Put the cap back on fast.
Pyrodex is a great substitute-- but lacks the punch of T-7 or Blackhorn.
Duelist 1954 does a great series of load tests on the ROA that include
T-7(youtube). He got magnum-level performance from two Ruger Old Armys.