Recognise the stamps on the gun barrel

[Robbert]

Hallo, since a couple of month I have been passed down this rifle from my father. Today I took it apart and made some pictures from the markings on the gun barrel. I was hoping some of you might / could shine some light on the history of the rifle. Over the past days I looked at many web sites but never found a definite answer to its origin. Any information would be welcome, thanks!

 

[Sam squanch]

Looks like a conversion from flintlock to percussion.

 

[Sam squanch]

And looks like an old military gun...

 

[kje54]

Hallo, since a couple of month I have been passed down this rifle from my father. Today I took it apart and made some pictures from the markings on the gun barrel. I was hoping some of you might / could shine some light on the history of the rifle. Over the past days I looked at many web sites but never found a definite answer to its origin. Any information would be welcome, thanks!

This is a guess based on a few elements of the gun and specifically the wide (early) brass bands. It looks like a converted Spanish Infantry musket (1750-1791).

 

[Robbert]

Thanks for your feedback. I will try and refine my search to 'Spanish military converted muskets'. Maybe I get lucky! If I do, I will let you know. Can the 1852 stamp be from the conversion year and the barrel from an older period (1750-1791)?

 

[Sam squanch]

Yes it can.

 

[kje54]

Thanks for your feedback. I will try and refine my search to 'Spanish military converted muskets'. Maybe I get lucky! If I do, I will let you know. Can the 1852 stamp be from the conversion year and the barrel from an older period (1750-1791)?

Oh yes, very easily.

 

[rickystl]

is there pics of the trigger guard and front barrel band ?

Rick

 

[kansas_volunteer]

Look for the book Spanish Military Weapons in Colonial America. It's damned expensive as a used book, but a library or interlibrary loan might help.

 

[Robbert]

is there pics of the trigger guard and front barrel band ?

Rick

 

[Robbert]

Look for the book Spanish Military Weapons in Colonial America. It's damned expensive as a used book, but a library or interlibrary loan might help.

I see what you mean ... 247 US$.

 

[kje54]

On second look I'm pretty sure I was mistaken and rickystl is correct, it's not the Spanish musket I thought it was. Sorry.

 

[rickystl]

Thanks for the photos Robbert. Hmmm....Ok, it's not a converted Spanish 1757 musket. The front barrel band is different. But it doesn't look French or German. Let me check my reference library. Any additional photos you have will likely help. I think that it may be a Belgium "style" of lock conversion.

Rick

 

[Robbert]

That is definitely a Spanish Infantry musket conversion, that front band is a dead giveaway. That is the one I suspected converted to percussion in 1852.

Thanks! I will ask my Spanish friend to do some digging in Spanish on the internet and hope we find some more details on the proof stamps.

 

[Robbert]

Thanks for the photos Robbert. Hmmm....Ok, it's not a converted Spanish 1757 musket. The front barrel band is different. But it doesn't look French or German. Let me check my reference library. Any additional photos you have will likely help. I think that it may be a Belgium "style" of lock conversion.

Rick

Rick, I can make some more pictures. Which part of the musket would help?

 

[kje54]

Thanks! I will ask my Spanish friend to do some digging in Spanish on the internet and hope we find some more details on the proof stamps.

I deleted that response because on second look (more detailed examination) I think rickystl is correct, it's not what I thought it was, he may be correct, I't might be Belgian. My apologies.

 

[rickystl]

Some full length photos of the right, left. and bottom of the gun. The side plate entire trigger guard from the bottom and butt plate especially.
Here is a pic of the front barrel band on the Spanish 1752/55/57 musket.

Rick

 

[Robbert]

I made some more pictures.

 

[kje54]

I made some more pictures.

This time I think I've identified it and both ricky and I were wrong, it's neither Spanish or Begian. It's a converted 1791 Swedish doglock

SWEDISH Model 1791 DOGLOCK FLINTLOCK .75 Caliber Infantry MUSKET Antique Rare Musket from NAPOLEONIC WARS, FINNISH WAR

 

[Robbert]

This time I think I've identified it and both ricky and I were wrong, it's neither Spanish or Begian. It's a converted 1791 Swedish doglock

SWEDISH Model 1791 DOGLOCK FLINTLOCK .75 Caliber Infantry MUSKET Antique Rare Musket from NAPOLEONIC WARS, FINNISH WAR

Yes, this is the one! Amazing to see a similar pre-conversion musket on those pictures. Thank you so much! Good to see that most parts are still as they suppose to be. Thanks again.