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Pennsylvania Battle Re-enactors Up in Arms Over Fighting Ban
Anew rule in Pennsylvania that will require re-enactors of a 1763 battle to lay down their weapons is drawing fire from a local historical society, the latest skirmish in the re-enactment world, which has been diminishing as hobbyists get older and sensitivities about restaging historical events have grown.
The Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission said last month that it will no longer permit re-enactments on the 23 sites it owns in the state that involve the exchange of fire from weapons, the taking of casualties and hand-to-hand combat, “or any other form of simulated warfare or violence between opposing forces.” The commission said it made the change to align with National Park Service policy.
The announcement opened a new front in a dispute with the Bushy Run Battlefield Heritage Society, which said it would have to cancel a battlefield re-enactment it has put on every August for the past 40 years as part of a commemoration of a battle between British troops and Native Americans that took place during Pontiac’s Rebellion, just after the French and Indian War. At a community meeting on Sunday at Bushy Run Park 25 miles east of Pittsburgh, community members and local lawmakers also decried the new rule.
“This is not just a pretend weekend,” said Rob Malley, a board member of the local group, which touts the educational value of the event. “If this all stands, we have to reinvent ourselves.”
The National Park Service has long had a policy barring so-called force-on-force re-enactments on federal land. Annual re-enactments of the Battle of Gettysburg that feature people in historically accurate uniforms firing antique muskets and cannons have taken place for decades on private property.
In September, several groups canceled re-enactments in New York after the state banned weapons, including rifles that fire black powder, from public parks and other areas. Last May, dozens of people in Maine protested Civil War re-enactors carrying Confederate flags in a Memorial Day parade.
Mary Koik, a spokeswoman for the American Battlefield Trust, which tries to preserve historic battlefields from being lost to development, said the shift away from simulated combat on federal land started in the early 1960s after people portraying Confederate and Union soldiers were injured at Gettysburg.
“At least two people were hospitalized,” she said. “There was an about-face on policy.”
Veteran re-enactors say their ranks are dwindling and getting grayer, leaving fewer volunteers to face off on the battlefield. The Gettysburg re-enactment at Daniel Lady Farm, which is privately owned, once drew 16,000 re-enactors but will likely have 1,500 this year, said Kirk Davis, president of the Gettysburg Battlefield Preservation Association.
Mr. Davis said he has been donning Civil War-era regalia for 35 years. He started off in the infantry, but at 65 years old, he now portrays a physician in a camp. “It’s now moving more to a living history process,” he said.
In Montana, Jim Real Bird, a Crow Nation member, produces a re-enactment of the Battle of the Little Bighorn every June on his family’s property near the spot where Sitting Bull once camped. The battle features around 100 people, including Crow members portraying warriors who rout non-Indians playing cavalry soldiers, and he said it is important to tell the story from the Indian perspective.
“This is a native story. This is not like a Hollywood production,” Mr. Real Bird said. He said he insists on hiring local youth who can ride bareback and carry a rifle, which he said isn’t easy to do, to make the show more authentic.
The Bushy Run battle re-enactment outside Pittsburgh is the centerpiece of the multiday event, which is also the local historical society’s biggest fundraiser, said Mr. Malley, the board member. About 1,500 spectators typically watch as a total of 100 people portraying British soldiers and members of tribes, such as the Shawnee and Delaware, square off, he said.
Mr. Malley said the state commission had separately asked the historical society to stop the Bushy Run re-enactment last Augustbecause nontribal members portrayed Indians. The group refused the request, he said, because it came shortly before the planned event. He said his group is willing to consult with tribes as required by the commission.
Howard Pollman, a spokesman for the state commission, said it is working on guidelines that would require members of federally recognized tribes to portray tribal figures in re-enactments at its historic sites. A draft he provided says that appropriate roles for nontribal people include captives or adopted people, traders or “someone who is specifically married to an American Indian person in the 18th century.”
Mr. Pollman said the commission, which contracts with the Bushy Run group to operate the historic site, had been in conversations over the past six months with the local group about updating events. In a statement, the commission said the historical society can still participate in discussions of battles and tactics and historic weapons firing.
The historical society said it consulted with the Seneca Nation about a decade ago and last month had a Zoom meeting with tribal representatives, including from the Shawnee Tribe. Stacey Halfmoon, executive director of culture and historic preservation for the Shawnee Tribe, commended the state commission for aligning its policies with the National Park Service. She said the tribe welcomes any opportunity to consult on how Shawnee history is portrayed in the state.
 
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I understand this even if I don't like it. My team and I will be hosting a woods walk at Fort de Chartres this fall.
I included a few native ambushes in the walk. Non-animated targets no live battle but a death sort of thing.
One of the team works in a federal job and said he thought
that using facsimiles of natives might be a bad idea due to the current climate.
I've contacted all the persons I could that run the state sight to see if this is going to be an issue, still waiting for replies.
To me, it seems to be a non-issue because it is historically correct, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
 
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No young people want to reenact , because new membership in a lot of the so called "old man" stuff is pretty much 0 , Younger people that are of any kind of upstanding citizen just want to go to work and come home to their families. They don't have time to go hang out in a field once a month drinking beer in a tent. Most people don't even know what any of these wars even are.

I get it , people have jobs, families etc and being active in the VFW, or Legion is something "retired" people do

I was invited to get involved in reenactor group but honestly, even being a history fanatic, I just don't have time. I'd rather just go to the range and shoot. I can't give up a weekend at a reenactment muster or drill. Attendance is falling off because people just don't want to give their time.

Plus the interest from the Centennial that sparked Civil War reenacting is pretty much dead, there haven't been any new Civil War movies........Revolutionary War reenacting I would guess is pretty much dead because not only is the expense of that uniform a lot more than the Civil War reenacting where you can start out with a Chinese cheapie...............but you're in for over $1000 for a Revolutionary War uniform......

The "cancel culture" is putting a stranglehold on anything Civil War related

We're going to see reenacting as a thing of the past within 10 years, you may have a small band of people hanging on to history doing small battles on private land at Gettysburg or living history but we'll never see 10's of 1000's of reenactors on the field ever again.

I did some Civil War living history in my local area and attendance from the public was pretty good, people were interested in the muskets and rifles, and my "story" as a militiaman but it's not like it used to be. The Civil War reenactors fired blanks out of Parrott guns and live fired a Coehorn mortar , and like 20 people cared. It's not like people came from far and wide to see a Civil War encampment.
 
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Gentlemen,
I grew up on the Lone Ranger, Grizzly Adams and John Wayne. I loved history and got my first bp rifle at 16. I went into Missouri Confederate cavalry and loved every minute of it. I am now 53 and had some serious health issues. As much as I would have loved for my kids to get into it, they did not. They find it interesting, but they don't have the love for it.

It is a different world now. Phones and computers are all that matter. Everything is dropping off. Religious attendance, even things like bowling.
Sad as it is to say, I think we are the last on any real scale.
 
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I can't speak to Civil War, but here in the Northeast the Revolutionary War scene is alive and well, with plenty of new blood in the hobby.

We have an excellent event each April on NPS land under NPS policies where no direct aiming of gunfire is allowed. So we offset each others and don't directly shoot at each other, and it's just fine.
 
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It's really a question of time and money. I would have to travel long distances to do any kind of reenacting and so far as spending a thousand dollars(?!!!!) on a uniform... I don't think so. I'd like to think I might one day hunt again, but reenacting is more of a complete lifestyle change than I would like to adapt to.

Some while back SSG Wally Coyle and I donned our Desert Storm "chocolate chip" uniforms and went to a local event that featured WW II reenactors playing both sides. There were a few Korean War vets present as well but we were the only "modern" soldiers. Wally and I both spoke German, so had a chance to practice with the 3rd Reich boys.

I spent a bit of time talking to a Korean War vet. He'd visited Korea since the war and thought that indeed his sacrifices had been worth it. Something that impressed him was the children of modern Korea... "They have enough to eat now."

I had no answer to that.
 
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Pennsylvania Battle Re-enactors Up in Arms Over Fighting Ban
Anew rule in Pennsylvania that will require re-enactors of a 1763 battle to lay down their weapons is drawing fire from a local historical society, the latest skirmish in the re-enactment world, which has been diminishing as hobbyists get older and sensitivities about restaging historical events have grown.
The Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission said last month that it will no longer permit re-enactments on the 23 sites it owns in the state that involve the exchange of fire from weapons, the taking of casualties and hand-to-hand combat, “or any other form of simulated warfare or violence between opposing forces.” The commission said it made the change to align with National Park Service policy.
The announcement opened a new front in a dispute with the Bushy Run Battlefield Heritage Society, which said it would have to cancel a battlefield re-enactment it has put on every August for the past 40 years as part of a commemoration of a battle between British troops and Native Americans that took place during Pontiac’s Rebellion, just after the French and Indian War. At a community meeting on Sunday at Bushy Run Park 25 miles east of Pittsburgh, community members and local lawmakers also decried the new rule.
“This is not just a pretend weekend,” said Rob Malley, a board member of the local group, which touts the educational value of the event. “If this all stands, we have to reinvent ourselves.”
The National Park Service has long had a policy barring so-called force-on-force re-enactments on federal land. Annual re-enactments of the Battle of Gettysburg that feature people in historically accurate uniforms firing antique muskets and cannons have taken place for decades on private property.
In September, several groups canceled re-enactments in New York after the state banned weapons, including rifles that fire black powder, from public parks and other areas. Last May, dozens of people in Maine protested Civil War re-enactors carrying Confederate flags in a Memorial Day parade.
Mary Koik, a spokeswoman for the American Battlefield Trust, which tries to preserve historic battlefields from being lost to development, said the shift away from simulated combat on federal land started in the early 1960s after people portraying Confederate and Union soldiers were injured at Gettysburg.
“At least two people were hospitalized,” she said. “There was an about-face on policy.”
Veteran re-enactors say their ranks are dwindling and getting grayer, leaving fewer volunteers to face off on the battlefield. The Gettysburg re-enactment at Daniel Lady Farm, which is privately owned, once drew 16,000 re-enactors but will likely have 1,500 this year, said Kirk Davis, president of the Gettysburg Battlefield Preservation Association.
Mr. Davis said he has been donning Civil War-era regalia for 35 years. He started off in the infantry, but at 65 years old, he now portrays a physician in a camp. “It’s now moving more to a living history process,” he said.
In Montana, Jim Real Bird, a Crow Nation member, produces a re-enactment of the Battle of the Little Bighorn every June on his family’s property near the spot where Sitting Bull once camped. The battle features around 100 people, including Crow members portraying warriors who rout non-Indians playing cavalry soldiers, and he said it is important to tell the story from the Indian perspective.
“This is a native story. This is not like a Hollywood production,” Mr. Real Bird said. He said he insists on hiring local youth who can ride bareback and carry a rifle, which he said isn’t easy to do, to make the show more authentic.
The Bushy Run battle re-enactment outside Pittsburgh is the centerpiece of the multiday event, which is also the local historical society’s biggest fundraiser, said Mr. Malley, the board member. About 1,500 spectators typically watch as a total of 100 people portraying British soldiers and members of tribes, such as the Shawnee and Delaware, square off, he said.
Mr. Malley said the state commission had separately asked the historical society to stop the Bushy Run re-enactment last Augustbecause nontribal members portrayed Indians. The group refused the request, he said, because it came shortly before the planned event. He said his group is willing to consult with tribes as required by the commission.
Howard Pollman, a spokesman for the state commission, said it is working on guidelines that would require members of federally recognized tribes to portray tribal figures in re-enactments at its historic sites. A draft he provided says that appropriate roles for nontribal people include captives or adopted people, traders or “someone who is specifically married to an American Indian person in the 18th century.”
Mr. Pollman said the commission, which contracts with the Bushy Run group to operate the historic site, had been in conversations over the past six months with the local group about updating events. In a statement, the commission said the historical society can still participate in discussions of battles and tactics and historic weapons firing.
The historical society said it consulted with the Seneca Nation about a decade ago and last month had a Zoom meeting with tribal representatives, including from the Shawnee Tribe. Stacey Halfmoon, executive director of culture and historic preservation for the Shawnee Tribe, commended the state commission for aligning its policies with the National Park Service. She said the tribe welcomes any opportunity to consult on how Shawnee history is portrayed in the state.
People who recall the Bi-Centennial, will know that the Federal Park Service forbad any 'force-on-force' back then; the State is just parroting that policy. I wonder how this will affect the large Rev War enactment at Brandywine that was held last October, and presumably every year? It was cancelled due to covid but revived for 2022.
 

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People who recall the Bi-Centennial, will know that the Federal Park Service forbad any 'force-on-force' back then; the State is just parroting that policy. I wonder how this will affect the large Rev War enactment at Brandywine that was held last October, and presumably every year? It was cancelled due to covid but revived for 2022.
Won't effect it at all.
 
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I can't speak to Civil War, but here in the Northeast the Revolutionary War scene is alive and well, with plenty of new blood in the hobby.

We have an excellent event each April on NPS land under NPS policies where no direct aiming of gunfire is allowed. So we offset each others and don't directly shoot at each other, and it's just fine.
When I lived in NJ there was a ton of Revolutionary War reenacting , and they're still extremely serious about the Washington's Crossing reenactment
 
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I know I'm getting older when I talk to the young dudes at National Guard tents at Carnivals and Fairs.....and tell them I'm an OIF vet , and not only were they born after 9/11/01 but they talk to me like I'm one of the "old vets" that I think of as , "old vets" all like "oh yeah you guys are awesome, I respect all you Iraq and and Afghanistan vets you guys saw some heavy $hi- over there " I'm like geez I'm not that old 😀
 
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These youths are brainwashed and woke, opposed to any history or activity that doesn’t align with their agenda.
Personally, I don't agree with this. The woke attitudes came much after the electronic detachment that young adults have today. The day the internet came online is the day that people started to detach from live events like what we do.
They just wait for the youtube video of the event and watch us, old fogies, in our funny clothes.
 
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I know I'm getting older when I talk to the young dudes at National Guard tents at Carnivals and Fairs.....and tell them I'm an OIF vet , and not only were they born after 9/11/01 but they talk to me like I'm one of the "old vets" that I think of as , "old vets" all like "oh yeah you guys are awesome, I respect all you Iraq and and Afghanistan vets you guys saw some heavy $hi- over there " I'm like geez I'm not that old 😀
Dang dude you're making me feel really, really old...🤣
 
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When I lived in NJ there was a ton of Revolutionary War reenacting , and they're still extremely serious about the Washington's Crossing reenactment

Yessir that's a fact. There is a ton of good stuff coming down the pike here in Massachusetts and New England, NY/NJ/PA for the 250th
 
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No young people want to reenact , because new membership in a lot of the so called "old man" stuff is pretty much 0 , Younger people that are of any kind of upstanding citizen just want to go to work and come home to their families. They don't have time to go hang out in a field once a month drinking beer in a tent. Most people don't even know what any of these wars even are.

I get it , people have jobs, families etc and being active in the VFW, or Legion is something "retired" people do

I was invited to get involved in reenactor group but honestly, even being a history fanatic, I just don't have time. I'd rather just go to the range and shoot. I can't give up a weekend at a reenactment muster or drill. Attendance is falling off because people just don't want to give their time.

Plus the interest from the Centennial that sparked Civil War reenacting is pretty much dead, there haven't been any new Civil War movies........Revolutionary War reenacting I would guess is pretty much dead because not only is the expense of that uniform a lot more than the Civil War reenacting where you can start out with a Chinese cheapie...............but you're in for over $1000 for a Revolutionary War uniform......

The "cancel culture" is putting a stranglehold on anything Civil War related

We're going to see reenacting as a thing of the past within 10 years, you may have a small band of people hanging on to history doing small battles on private land at Gettysburg or living history but we'll never see 10's of 1000's of reenactors on the field ever again.

I did some Civil War living history in my local area and attendance from the public was pretty good, people were interested in the muskets and rifles, and my "story" as a militiaman but it's not like it used to be. The Civil War reenactors fired blanks out of Parrott guns and live fired a Coehorn mortar , and like 20 people cared. It's not like people came from far and wide to see a Civil War encampment.
This is the plain truth. I’m so fortunate to have gone to re-enactments as a kid, but at 38, I just don’t have the time. It’s enough of a struggle dealing with kids and technology advances. I love teaching it to them, but it just doesn’t fascinate them like it did me. Times were simpler 30+ years ago
 
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