Thanks Maven, I thought maybe post one was a typo. As for the “out of group annoyance “ , the low shot on the 13 yard target was caused by pulling a finer bead on the target. It was the 3 rd shot fired in that group , the last two were back up there with the first two not using the “finer bead”. As for the 25 yard group, all I can say is , I’m getting old! LOL Thanks for the update . Here’s what I’ve been using for a cleaner/ patch lube lately.... It says protectant as well, but I’m not so sure about that, I’ll stick with Barricade for that .