YES INDEED, hence the cartoonA dram of powder is 27 grains of powder. Five drams would be 135 grains. Stout load behind a heavy 320 grain maxi.
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YES INDEED, hence the cartoonA dram of powder is 27 grains of powder. Five drams would be 135 grains. Stout load behind a heavy 320 grain maxi.
You are right about the ppl shooting bare ball and it makes sense shooting more stout loads, the more pressure around the ball the more stable it will be going down the barrel but like you said Iâ€™ll save my powder and put a patch around the ballIn general, and blanket statements are rarely completely true,,, when speaking of smoothbore loads, I seems to notice that most of those running large powder charges are loading bare ball loads. Especially those using no wad at all seem to need that larger charge.
Personally with my two smoothbores I've found good accuracy with wads or patches at around 65/70 grains and 80/85 grains. But then, I'm only looking for groups sub-four inches at 50 yards. Not looking to cut Xs at that distance or further, and not much deer shooting here at much more than 50 yards. If the chance comes up, I'm willing to pass or try to work closer, even if it means possibly not getting a shot.
Might a 90 grain or larger deliver a less than four inch group beyond 50 yards? Maybe,,, but, I have no need for it, so I'll save my powder for more shooting and my shoulder for bowhunting.
Don't get me going on Captain Corpulant and how he somehow became an expert on this stuff
Iâ€™m going to apply this to my smooth bore pistol. Iâ€™ve been trying 30 grains but according to this formula I should be using 9.75 grains. Maybe I can get better groups by down loading.Here's an old post:
"The formula is: 11.5 grains per cubic Inch of bore. You need a 36 inch barrel in .50 caliber to burn 80 grains of powder efficiently.( Actually, 81.29 grains!)
If you, or others forgot all that math you were taught in school( as I had) you calculate the formula this way:
Using the caliber( .50) determine the radius, because you need to know the area of a circle that size before determining the cubic length and content of a cylinder that diameter. The formula that you(I) forgot for determining the area of a circle is " Pi R Squared". Pi is 3.1416 for our puposes. R is the Radius.
Now the radius is half the diameter, so use .25 as your radius. Now square the radius, by multiplying it times itself.
.25 x .25= .625. Now multiply that number times 3.1416, which equals .1963125.
Now, multiply that number times 11.5 = 2.2580.
Now, multiply that times your barrel length to get the volume of the cylinder that is your bore length and diameter. 36 x 2.2580 = 81.288, or 81.29 grains.
Charles Davenport did NOT Invent the formula. It was worked out centuries before him to use with all Black Powder firearms. Ordinance was concerned not only with how much powder needed to be shipped on warships to feed cannons, but also with how much powder was needed to feed muskets and later, rifles.
The King would not be very happy if he spent his money to send his army to a distant shore to battle foreign armies, only to be told his war was lost because the ordinance department didn't send along enough powder! So, bean counters were around a long time ago. The formula is NOT JUST FOR Cannons, as one member here keeps insisting( with absolutely NO evidence to back up his statements, I might add).
The formula does NOT say you can't PUT more powder in your barrel, or FIRE more powder in your barrel, or even GET MORE velocity by putting more powder in your barrel. It deals with getting the MOst Velocity from the barrel with the Least Amount of Powder- that is " Efficiency".
When you pass the Efficient formula amount, you venture into the "Law of Diminishing Returns", that is, you get less and less increase in velocity for each measured increment in increase of powder.( Caveat: Particularly with shooting PRBs, the coefficient of friction between the PRB and the bore is so small, that you can get fluctuations in these velocities as you increase powder charges beyond the "efficient " formula- recommended load. Only meticulous attention to cleaning the barrel between each shot, and shooting long shot strings, to average, is going to give you a better idea about how any " Over charge load " will shoot out of your gun, on a particular day, with particular temperature and humidity present.)
Before overcharging any gun, you should take into consideration that the Sound Barrier does bad things to any projectile, but does even nastier things to a RB. Pushing any RB over 1135 fps. requires that ball to come back down through both the Sound Barrier, and the Transonic Zone, where all kinds of forces hammer the ball in the air.
And you should also consider that the faster something leaves the barrel to fly through the air, the faster it will slow down. You can see this clearly if you look at the tables in the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Manual( any edition) that shows shot size, MVs, and then down range velocities at 20,40& 60 yards. The Chart makes it very easy to compare loss of velocity for the faster MVs vs. the Slower MVs. for any particular size shot you are interested in.
Since "bird shot " are simply smaller Round Balls, the principles of Aerodynamics that apply to shot also apply to shooting a single Round Ball from a rifle or smoothbore through air."
You do increase recoil, BTW, as half of the weight of the powder charge is going to move rearward, while the other moves forward. ( "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Newton's Third Law of Motion.)
Charles Davenport is reported to have walked the firing lines at Friendship each year talking to the shooters, asking the caliber of their rifles, and their barrel lengths, and then consulted his book to give them their maximum efficient load. Phil Quaglino relates that Davenport told shooters to reduce that max. efficient powder charge by 10% and then work up to find the most accurate load for their gun. The 10% factor helped to make adjustments for barrel harmonics, that are unique to each gun. Quaglino held several national records as a rifle shooter, and may still hold several pistol records. He was a barrel maker, first in New Hampshire, and later in Florida, and has been building guns for more than 50 years. Even though he is officially "retired", Phil is still making guns, mostly for himself
DING DING the bell has rang , step to the center and toe the markGet the debate started? Didn't we just discuss this here?
Powder charge. How much powder do you use.
As I read through various post, I'm always amazed how much powder is poured down a muzzleloader barrel. The general rule I was taught by my ol' grandpa' back in the 60's on the farm is caliber of the gun +/- 20%. Or put the ball in your palm and pour powder 'til it covers the ball. Reading post...www.muzzleloadingforum.com
Round 2: Commence!
The 110gn loads are specifically related to his 20G fusil.I've seen folks mention Beliveaus' 110 grain load many times on here. One thing I noticed.... at least in the English fowler video.... is he's shooting a 12 gauge...110 grains is pretty resonable for a 500 grain ball.
I didn't realize that BP shooting would be so complicated. Math ain't my strong suit. I ain't figured out what my strong suit is yet.
â€˜Mathematics is fine but donâ€™t leave out the trifle the hands head and mind that back up the rifleâ€™I didn't realize that BP shooting would be so complicated. Math ain't my strong suit. I ain't figured out what my strong suit is yet.
Only as complicated as you make itI didn't realize that BP shooting would be so complicated. Math ain't my strong suit. I ain't figured out what my strong suit is yet.
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