MtnMn, while it may be true that there were no half stock, flintlock Hawkins there were half stock rifles in flintlock from other makers during the time period. Why not use one of those?
Nossir, it does not. My line is that I am happy that everybody does what pleases THEM most, not anybody else. As such I don't belittle the choices of others, no matter what style of shooting it might be.You do realize that almost everybody on this forum are called purists by the inline crowd. Does your description of a purist fit yourself too?
Nossir, it does not. My line is that I am happy that everybody does what pleases THEM most, not anybody else. As such I don't belittle the choices of others, no matter what style of shooting it might be.
I don't shoot any kind of inline, on account they are about as rare as horse eggs in the UK, and even supposing they were more common, I have a goodly collection of traditional guns, both nitro and BP, to satisfy my craving for either cap or primer popping. So, no, inlines don't appeal to me, but then nor does fishing, or eating Camenbert cheese.
Again, here in UK, we don't appear to have either the clear division of BP shooters into those who shoot inline and those who do not, or the very evident derision with which each 'side' views the other. We just don't have 'crowds' in the shooting sports here.
Sir, I have no wish to engage you in semantics. I'm here to talk about guns, not MY attitudes to other people who talk about guns and might want to influence my choices of the guns I enjoy.So, how do you have such a strong opinion of what a purist is if you don't experience it first hand?
I've been called a purist all my life in fly fishing because I use bamboo rods, silk lines, and use dry flies. I do what pleases me and could care less what others do. Even so, a perfect stranger will walk past me while i'm fishing and say..........."Another purist" and snicker. I've also been called one because I use sidelocks, black powder, and round balls from strangers who don't know me.
So, your description of a purist is backwards. Maybe I am a purist but I sure don't do it for any other reason than I do what pleases me the most. I don't care enough about what someone else does to have any biased towards it.
You appear to have an attitude towards a purist. Even if you don't really know anything about them.
"A 'purist' is a person in any walk of life who is able to make you feel inadequate in yours."
Did Glass have one? I was unfamiliar with that. As I recall he died in ‘31 or 32(?)But with figures like John Johnston, Kit Carson, Jim Bridger, Hugh Glass and Theodore Roosevelt just to name a few of the men of the west who carried Hawken rifles I think it’s safe to say those that could afford them did.
RMF did buy Hawkens, not sure on the date but I’m thinking ‘34 on. However outnumbered by Pennsylvania makers.Nobody is claiming that every trapper had a Hawken. How many would have to own one for it to be PC? Just one works for me but i'm sure it was way more than that.
RMF did buy Hawkens, not sure on the date but I’m thinking ‘34 on. However outnumbered by Pennsylvania makers.
I think there is a band wagon when we look at history tgat every one jumps on. Hawkens became real popular after Jeremiah Johnson and TC. Then the dyed in the capote traditionalist said nope nope real MM carried ( fill in the blank).
The mountain man’s choice? No but it was seen and is historically correct.
caps were in RMF ledgers by ‘30. Lots of Flints aboard the Arabia in ‘59.