-
This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.
Sign up here: https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/account/upgrades -
Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.
We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.
Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103
Pedersoli French AN IX flintlock
- Thread starter hulk
- Start date
Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:
I don't own one of these pistols but they look like they would be fun to shoot.
Fun, but a tad expensive. I see Track of the Wolf has .678 diameter balls for it but they want about $13 for 25 balls.
Tracks price for the .490 diameter on the other hand is about $12.60 for 100 balls.
A link to the pistol:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/inde...0890+Pedersoli+French+"AN+IX"+Military+Pistol
As for the Queen Anne, the way the vent hole is made does leave a lot to be desired.
It is small and very long which cools the flame from the pan flash and can cause mis-fires.
Here is a link to what I did to greatly improve its reliability.
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...93295/post/263703/hl/Queen+Anne/fromsearch/1/
Although it does involve a bit of gun smithing, it is something that almost anyone can do if they have an electric drill, a pair of Vise Grips, a hack saw, file, a tap and a tap drill.
Fun, but a tad expensive. I see Track of the Wolf has .678 diameter balls for it but they want about $13 for 25 balls.
Tracks price for the .490 diameter on the other hand is about $12.60 for 100 balls.
A link to the pistol:
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/inde...0890+Pedersoli+French+"AN+IX"+Military+Pistol
As for the Queen Anne, the way the vent hole is made does leave a lot to be desired.
It is small and very long which cools the flame from the pan flash and can cause mis-fires.
Here is a link to what I did to greatly improve its reliability.
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...93295/post/263703/hl/Queen+Anne/fromsearch/1/
Although it does involve a bit of gun smithing, it is something that almost anyone can do if they have an electric drill, a pair of Vise Grips, a hack saw, file, a tap and a tap drill.
Last edited by a moderator:
Although it does involve a bit of gun smithing, it is something that almost anyone can do if they have an electric drill, a pair of Vise Grips, a hack saw, file, a tap and a tap drill.[/quote]
Dats alot o tools to be used at once :surrender:
Dats alot o tools to be used at once :surrender:
Ordered the pistol. Now to order flints and balls from TotW!
I have read a good rule of thumb is to start with a powder load that is about half of the caliber... so I think I will start with 35 grains of powder? 2fg or 3fg? I have both already.
I have read a good rule of thumb is to start with a powder load that is about half of the caliber... so I think I will start with 35 grains of powder? 2fg or 3fg? I have both already.
I think I would try 35 grains of 2f or 30 grains of 3f. Volume measure, of course.
SgtWinterer
32 Cal.
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
- Messages
- 16
- Reaction score
- 12
hulk said:
Pedersoli lists the usual charge for the AN IX Pistol as 25 grains and as maximum charge 35 grains.
Here is the offical list (2018): https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uploads/supporto/9TABELLA DOSI POLVERE 2018-04.pdf
Last edited by a moderator:
Excellent, thank you for the link. It says they are using Swiss black powder and granulation according to the type of gun, so I assume a max load of 35 grain Swiss 3fg? I was shooting both 30 grains and 35 grains of Goex 2fg, so I should be good. I don't see a lot of point in loading up more than that.
SgtWinterer
32 Cal.
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
- Messages
- 16
- Reaction score
- 12
One thing I find a bit annoying is that they are (according to pedersoli) not proved for the historic service chargers, which in case of the pistol can be up to 50 grains.
Of course better powder changes the performance, but it still is a bit of a let down.
One thing which confuses me, if they would be prove fired in germany, they would be loaded with 20 gramm powder for testing. And allowed for normal chargers of up to 12 gramm of powder. Which is over 180 grains. :shocked2:
Of course better powder changes the performance, but it still is a bit of a let down.
One thing which confuses me, if they would be prove fired in germany, they would be loaded with 20 gramm powder for testing. And allowed for normal chargers of up to 12 gramm of powder. Which is over 180 grains. :shocked2:
That is an excellent link.
It covers so many of the guns people on the forum have, I think it is worth posting again.
Hear that you guys? If your computer or phone can open a PDF file, by all means, take a good look at the information in this link. :thumbsup:
Although it is Pedersoli data, the powder loads can easily and safely be applied to similar guns made by different companies.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uploads/supporto/9TABELLA DOSI POLVERE 2018-04.pdf
It covers so many of the guns people on the forum have, I think it is worth posting again.
Hear that you guys? If your computer or phone can open a PDF file, by all means, take a good look at the information in this link. :thumbsup:
Although it is Pedersoli data, the powder loads can easily and safely be applied to similar guns made by different companies.
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uploads/supporto/9TABELLA DOSI POLVERE 2018-04.pdf
Last edited by a moderator:
SgtWinterer
32 Cal.
- Joined
- May 5, 2018
- Messages
- 16
- Reaction score
- 12
Hello Jim,
Maybe we could generate a sticky post/topic for helpful resources/info.
Maybe also of interest are the standard loads of CIP proofing. CIP is a multi national organisation for proof testing firearms. Members are italia, germany, spain, etc. Most likely if you buy a firearm from italia (Pedersoli!) or spain (Ardesa) they have a CIP proof marking. If there is no special number for maximum load; the maximum load is according to the standard table based on calibre.
Link: https://www.beschussamt-ulm.de/bes...4_W_Info-Schwarzpulverwaffen.pdf?m=1486711061
Disclaimer: I assume the standard is the same for all member states, but i am not a 100% sure.
They differ between schwarzpulver = blackpowder and blackpowder replacement = Schwarzpulverersatzstoff.
Maybe we could generate a sticky post/topic for helpful resources/info.
Maybe also of interest are the standard loads of CIP proofing. CIP is a multi national organisation for proof testing firearms. Members are italia, germany, spain, etc. Most likely if you buy a firearm from italia (Pedersoli!) or spain (Ardesa) they have a CIP proof marking. If there is no special number for maximum load; the maximum load is according to the standard table based on calibre.
Link: https://www.beschussamt-ulm.de/bes...4_W_Info-Schwarzpulverwaffen.pdf?m=1486711061
Disclaimer: I assume the standard is the same for all member states, but i am not a 100% sure.
They differ between schwarzpulver = blackpowder and blackpowder replacement = Schwarzpulverersatzstoff.
Last edited by a moderator:
I picked-up one of the French AN IX flintlock handguns too. Haven't shot it much,but what I have its been sure fire. Seems to be well made, but most Pedersoli gun are. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.
I enjoy it very much so far. I did have a flash in the pan on one of my shots, had to reprime and then it went off. Not sure if it was me not priming well enough or what but lots of fun to shoot. Has anyone tried shooting buckshot out of theirs?
I shot some buck and ball, that I made up. Shot ok at short range. I have some wads I got for a .69 cal. musket, I'll try some with buckshot & see what happens.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
- Joined
- Nov 6, 2005
- Messages
- 3,471
- Reaction score
- 2,157
Why do Germans get so wrapped around the axle about proof house certifications and have such a fear of guns blowing up in their faces when using anything over half of service loads?
Even with the India guns, blowups are extremely rare.
Passing a government proof house test is not even close to a guarantee that a muzzleloader will never split the barrel with even a weak load. Not fully seating a bullet or ball, or any kind of substantial bore obstruction will ring or split a barrel almost every time, and rarely causes serious injury.
I own, and have owned many muzzleloaders over the years, not one of which was proofed as far as I know, shooting all kinds of loads, and have never had a problem.
Just load the thing with 30 to 50 grains for starters and go for it.
Even with the India guns, blowups are extremely rare.
Passing a government proof house test is not even close to a guarantee that a muzzleloader will never split the barrel with even a weak load. Not fully seating a bullet or ball, or any kind of substantial bore obstruction will ring or split a barrel almost every time, and rarely causes serious injury.
I own, and have owned many muzzleloaders over the years, not one of which was proofed as far as I know, shooting all kinds of loads, and have never had a problem.
Just load the thing with 30 to 50 grains for starters and go for it.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
- Joined
- Nov 6, 2005
- Messages
- 3,471
- Reaction score
- 2,157
The Italians always recommend wimpy charges for liability reasons.
I put a new flint in my Pedersoli AN IX pistol & so far have got 37 rounds on it & is still good. I never counted the shots on the flint that came with the pistol, but was quite afew. Maybe I got lucky!
