Patriot Knock-Offs

[Sparkitoff]

I was referred to someone who says they have a T/C Patriot Knock-Off. According to the owner, it is a .45 and the parts are interchangeable with the T/C. I saw a photo of each side. The stock has the same shape, the rear sight looks identical and the double set triggers look like clones.

So - who made T/C Patriot clones, or could this be a T/C with no markings or some replacement barrel (the owner says the barrel has "words" on it.

If there are known clones, is one better than another? What do I look for? How about pricing?

Thanks

 

[bubba.50]

There are no Patriot clones. A couple Spanish makers have something kinda, sorta similar but nothing that will interchange parts with a Patriot.

 

[M. De Land]

There are no Patriot clones. A couple Spanish makers have something kinda, sorta similar but nothing that will interchange parts with a Patriot.

I was told that Patriots were made in .36 cal as well as .45 but I've never seen one .,have any of you? I have one in .45 cal and have seen quite few others but none in .36.

 

[DanL]

I have seen the patriot in .36 caliber. Seems they are quite rare compared to the .45.

 

[William Hagewood]

There are a couple currently on Gunbroker

 

[Robert an saa fan]

I was told that Patriots were made in .36 cal as well as .45 but I've never seen one .,have any of you? I have one in .45 cal and have seen quite few others but none in .36.

Have a Patriot in .36 caliber. Never shot it as revolvers are favorites.

 

[Stantheman86]

The Traditions Trapper?

 

[OldSmoky1967]

There are no Patriot clones. A couple Spanish makers have something kinda, sorta similar but nothing that will interchange parts with a Patriot.

Ardessa was the original maker of the patriot. Sold to Traditions in the 80's, then TC bought the line. I have one of these Ardessa Patriot flintlocks listed here in .45 It is a very well made gun and great shooter. Sparks and fires every time.

 

[OldSmoky1967]

I was referred to someone who says they have a T/C Patriot Knock-Off. According to the owner, it is a .45 and the parts are interchangeable with the T/C. I saw a photo of each side. The stock has the same shape, the rear sight looks identical and the double set triggers look like clones.

So - who made T/C Patriot clones, or could this be a T/C with no markings or some replacement barrel (the owner says the barrel has "words" on it.

If there are known clones, is one better than another? What do I look for? How about pricing?

Thanks

Ardessa was the original maker of the patriot. Sold to Traditions in the 80's, then TC bought the line. The barrels and quality are as good as TC ever made one. As far as I know the parts, today are not interchangeable. I have one of these Ardessa Patriot flintlocks listed here in .45 It is a very well made gun and great shooter. Sparks and fires every time.

 

[bubba.50]

Ardessa was the original maker of the patriot. Sold to Traditions in the 80's, then TC bought the line. I have one of these Ardessa Patriot flintlocks listed here in .45 It is a very well made gun and great shooter. Sparks and fires every time.

No sir. Your pistol is Spanish made and is a 'Trapper' as sold by CVA/Traditions. It is not a Patriot. And other than caliber and similar overall size it has nothing in common the the totally TC designed & manufactured Patriot.

 

[user 48702]

Ardessa was the original maker of the patriot. Sold to Traditions in the 80's, then TC bought the line. I have one of these Ardessa Patriot flintlocks listed here in .45 It is a very well made gun and great shooter. Sparks and fires every time.

Don't know where you get your info, but the T/C Patriot was in the 1972 catalog. I have no idea where my old copy is, but if I run across it I'll post a picture. More info could probably be tracked down on the web. Since all the records were lost in a fire, about the only way to halfway date when a particular model was introduced is through the old catalogs.

 

[user 48702]

Found this photo of the cover of the T/C 1973 Catalog, which depicts the early T/C Patriot pre brass nose cap. I have no idea what year the nose cap was added. Since Traditions didn't exist prior to 1982, the T/C Patriot predates Traditions better than 10 years as a T/C product.

 

[M. De Land]

No sir. Your pistol is Spanish made and is a 'Trapper' as sold by CVA/Traditions. It is not a Patriot. And other than caliber and similar overall size it has nothing in common the the totally TC designed & manufactured Patriot.

Were Patriots ever offered in Flint ?

 

[bubba.50]

Were Patriots ever offered in Flint ?

No.

 

[Sparkitoff]

So this one says something like Arizzabalaga on the barrel.....

 

[bubba.50]

So this one says something like Arizzabalaga on the barrel.....

Could the first part actually be Ardessa? Does it look like Old Smokey's pictures?

 

[DOUBLEDEUCE 1]

I agree. The photos of the ‘Spanish Patriot’ are the CVA/ Traditions Trapper pistol. Those are the knock-offs of the Patriot.

I have seen several Patriots in .36 cal. A few of them were the early production versions without nose caps. I have not seen any .45 cal Patriots without nose caps. Patriots have a flat butt cap. The Spanish pistols have the rounded bowl butt cap. Patriots have walnut stocks, the Spanish ones don’t. The triggers and furniture are very different also.

From a distance, one might confuse the Spanish version with the TC Patriot. Side by side, the differences are very clear to see.

 

[bubba.50]

I agree. The photos of the ‘Spanish Patriot’ are the CVA/ Traditions Trapper pistol. Those are the knock-offs of the Patriot.

I have seen several Patriots in .36 cal. A few of them were the early production versions without nose caps. I have not seen any .45 cal Patriots without nose caps. Patriots have a flat butt cap. The Spanish pistols have the rounded bowl butt cap. Patriots have walnut stocks, the Spanish ones don’t. The triggers and furniture are very different also.

From a distance, one might confuse the Spanish version with the TC Patriot. Side by side, the differences are very clear to see.

From a distance and if ya squint right hard.

 

[edw.marshall]

So this one says something like Arizzabalaga on the barrel.....

Arrizabalaga is a Spanish (Basque) gun maker noted for making good grade double shotguns.

 

[OldSmoky1967]

Found this photo of the cover of the T/C 1973 Catalog, which depicts the early T/C Patriot pre brass nose cap. I have no idea what year the nose cap was added. Since Traditions didn't exist prior to 1982, the T/C Patriot predates Traditions better than 10 years as a T/C product.
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Found this photo of the cover of the T/C 1973 Catalog, which depicts the early T/C Patriot pre brass nose cap. I have no idea what year the nose cap was added. Since Traditions didn't exist prior to 1982, the T/C Patriot predates Traditions better than 10 years as a T/C product.
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Thanks for sharing that with me. All I had to go by were some old bulleting boards.