Ok, shooting 75 grains olde eynesforth, patches lube stumpy moose juice formula. .0015 or so size. Found some beginning of range session but as session went on deteriorated to where I could not find them at all or were just a shredded mess of threads. During the session as it went on, trying to locate the patches thought to try an extra patch as over powder wad. Found everyone of the over powder wads in reusable shape. Extra note on the over powder wad, i had used them to swab a bit so were very dirty and pretty moist. But could not find any patches on the last 8 shots or so. Part of problem was not enough lube but how can i find the over powder patch but not the ball patch? New rifle tip curtis and a new to me tvm. Both 50 cal. Yea i know, i almost have reached nervana with one of each!