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Well, registration isn't enforced. Army...volunteered...1968!
Actually it is ...just not directly. And there is a small window -- age 18-25. Once you turn 26 you forever screwed...The unregistered cannot get financial aid for college, no US citizenship, no Federal Job, no security clearance, cannot work for some companies if they have government contracts, no job for USPS, and in 8 states you cannot enroll in college at all. In OHIO, as a state resident, you pay out of state tuition for college. Many states mirror Federal laws regards aid so no state aid for school or job training. That said, a Federal judge has declared the Male only Selective Service Registration unconstitutional and Congress needs to eliminate or make it mandatory for all males AND females -- esp since they can now serve in combat roles previously excluded...
 
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Actually it is ...just not directly. And there is a small window -- age 18-25. Once you turn 26 you forever screwed...The unregistered cannot get financial aid for college, no US citizenship, no Federal Job, no security clearance, cannot work for some companies if they have government contracts, no job for USPS, and in 8 states you cannot enroll in college at all. In OHIO, as a state resident, you pay out of state tuition for college. Many states mirror Federal laws regards aid so no state aid for school or job training. That said, a Federal judge has declared the Male only Selective Service Registration unconstitutional and Congress needs to eliminate or make it mandatory for all males AND females -- esp since they can now serve in combat roles previously excluded...
Wonder why the left haven't seized on this to fail applicants background checks??
 

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Presently there is a thread about a Buffalo skull on this forum. In it people are lamenting about the loss and wanton killing of millions of these creatures.
After the war General Sherman's"total war strategy"authorized the killing of 5,000,000 Buffalo in his attempt to subdue the Indians.
 
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Presently there is a thread about a Buffalo skull on this forum. In it people are lamenting about the loss and wanton killing of millions of these creatures.
After the war General Sherman's"total war strategy"authorized the killing of 5,000,000 Buffalo in his attempt to subdue the Indians.
Yup... the post war careers of many of the Union officers were a lot less commendable than their civil war service, at least from this yankee's perspective.
 
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If things could have held off even a few years, Mr. Whitney’s other inventions - mechanized farm equipment - with other inventors like Deering, McCormac and others - would have made slavery prohibitively expensive.
This is also applicable to Lincoln. He ran on not letting the south grow in to the new territories. The south saw this as an attempt to contain and control them.
However where could it have gone?
Slavery worked on large labor intensive crops.
What could slaves do west?
Not cowboy
Not mine
South western states were not rich in timber. So logging is out
The south left cause Lincoln wouldn’t let them expand in to a place they couldn’t use.
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This is also applicable to Lincoln. He ran on not letting the south grow in to the new territories. The south saw this as an attempt to contain and control them.
However 2 could it have gone?
Slavery worked on large labor intensive crops.
What could slaves do west?
Not cowboy
Not mine
South western states were not rich in timber. So logging is out
The south left cause Lincoln wouldn’t let them expand in to a place they couldn’t use.
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A lot of former slaves would become cowboys, ironically.

The south trying to use cotton as economic leverage to gain allies in Europe also lead to them being replaced by cotton agriculture elsewhere. Even if there was no war and without previously mentioned technological advancement, how much longer would their industry have even been profitable?
 
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A lot of former slaves would become cowboys, ironically.

The south trying to use cotton as economic leverage to gain allies in Europe also lead to them being replaced by cotton agriculture elsewhere. Even if there was no war and without previously mentioned technological advancement, how much longer would their industry have even been profitable?
Free men can be cowboys, a slave would not be very useful at it.
A few former slaves went on to be ‘old west gun fighter’
Not a good job choice for a slave
 
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Southern planters wanted to keep expanding to the west in order to grow cotton, tobacco, rice, etc. The farming practices then "used up" the land and they needed more. Slave labor was needed to make it very profitable.
 
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Southern planters wanted to keep expanding to the west in order to grow cotton, tobacco, rice, etc. The farming practices then "used up" the land and they needed more. Slave labor was needed to make it very profitable.
Sort of
In the seventeenth century there was too much land, no one wished to work for some one else. Indentured servants could run off and blend in with other immigrants. And even if they completed the indentured time the land owner was required to set them up.
There was no ID you were who you said you were.
Black slaves couldn’t blend in, and you had one for life.
In 1850 it’s a whole new world. All those crops stayed profitable after slavery ended. But the owners had an enormous amount of wealth tied up in slaves, and some times it was generational. On average there were ten slaves to every owner in the south. An untrained field hand cost as much as a skilled journeyman could make in a year.
The owners, especially the plantation owner who owned any where from fifty to several hundred slaves had to make his wealth work for him. He was in the same position of a freight company when railroads started building in the area. He had live and rolling stock, he had to find a way to use it.
Then for so long the slave owner argued for the morality of slavery there was no way to back track on it. This was an observation made by a few rational abolitionists, that the south was enslaved by slavery as much as the slaves.
‘A man who owns a cow is no longer free’
 

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If things could have held off even a few years, Mr. Whitney’s other inventions - mechanized farm equipment - with other inventors like Deering, McCormac and others - would have made slavery prohibitively expensive.
The McCormac Reaper was invented in 1837, the mechanized cotton picker wasn't invented until 1923. Cotton was already a labor intensive and expensive crop, yet the large corporate style plantations held to the system. Europe was already starting to move toward India and Egypt for cotton production, so the North and South were going to become more dependent on each other for raw material and finished goods. I think slavery would have died a natural death, but the cultural divide and animosity between North and South would have remained.
 
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I've read a lot of different article by different people so I'm willing to read the one/ones that back up your opinion or Gen. Sherman if you just point me to them.
Modern people of today will sometimes 'make up' a quote from an historical personage, and post it to 'poison' that person's image; sometimes doing it innocently, passing along a made-up quote.
 

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Free men can be cowboys, a slave would not be very useful at it.
A few former slaves went on to be ‘old west gun fighter’
Not a good job choice for a slave
If freed slaves made excellent cowboys, why wouldn't a slave be the same. They also made first rate soldiers.
 
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If freed slaves made excellent cowboys, why wouldn't a slave be the same. They also made first rate soldiers.
Because a slave doesn’t work for himself. Good job bad job doesn’t matter, tomorrow he is still a slave.
A free man can have a work ethic, his word counts. A rancher who hires a cowboy says go do x, it’s your job you signed up for, and the cowboy does it because he has honor, because he took the job.
A slave isn’t going to care.
A good job for the cowboy insures his future, even if it’s just staying a cowboy. It can be his stepping stone to foreman, or save enough to have his own herd.
A slave has no future
Slaves needed constant supervision.
We can look at how productive sharecroppers were compared to slave production on that same property. Though sharecropper mostly remained poor, victims of the owners, they did have a stake in the game, and southren productivity went up compared to pre war.
A few times in history empires tried slave armies. It always worked out bad for the original kings. And from very early times it was recognized you needed freemen to fight for you.
The statement slaves could not be good cowboys isn’t about race, it’s about the economic condition of the worker.
An English visitor to a ranch asked a cowboy where his master was. Of course just meaning boss. The cowboy answered’ the SOB ain’t been born yet’. The very act of being a range rider negates the slave mentally.
Put a gun in a slaves hand, he is no longer your property.
 
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With how the political divide in the US is so split between rural and urban, it is both heartbreaking and disturbing that people romanticize a situation where they could kill someone only 5 minutes from their house. They claim huge divisions, but they probably see their "enemy" at the grocery store every week. I bartended at a brewery for close to a year and our customers ranged from literal communists to trump supporters. Not to sound like too much of a hippy, but sometimes people need to take a second and recognize their similarities, not their differences.
That would require folks to understand and acknowledge that other people's opinions just might be as valid as their own, and that doesn't often happen once they become passionate about their position.
 

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