New to Me "English Pattern" Trade rifle

[BigSkyRambler]

I just purchased this rifle online. Made by TVM marked M Avance. Says .52 caliber. I like it because it has the looks of the J Henry trade rifles, except in percussion. I plan on replacing lock with flint, but will switch back and forth. Any thoughts?

 

[tenngun]

Sweet

 

[Kansas Jake]

I like it and flint will be sweet.

 

[plmeek]

It could also pass for a 1792 US Contract rifle or a Lancaster pattern trade rifle anytime in the first quarter of the 19th century.

 

[Rat]

Nice rifle, period. My thought is, looking at the tall front sight, that it hasn't been fired much, if at all. ??? Very nice.

 

[BigSkyRambler]

Nice rifle, period. My thought is, looking at the tall front sight, that it hasn't been fired much, if at all. ??? Very nice.

Auction said possibly unfired. Looking at the online catalogs for the two TVM companies, I suspect this rifle was signed by Avance when he still worked for Garner.

 

[crankshaft]

Would an English lock be more correct than the ( germanic ) lock ?

 

[BigSkyRambler]

Would an English lock be more correct than the ( germanic ) lock ?

I will get whatever lock matches the inletting.

 

[BigSkyRambler]

Auction said possibly unfired. Looking at the online catalogs for the two TVM companies, I suspect this rifle was signed by Avance when he still worked for Garner.

I got this backward. Rifle built by Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading, not Tennessee Valley Manufacturing.

 

[plmeek]

Would an English lock be more correct than the (germanic) lock ?

Technically, yes, for an "English Pattern" Trade rifle, the lock should have a rounded pan rather than the Germanic shaped pan and a rounded tail. The contemporary J Henry trade rifle that the OP shows in the last photo had a lock that Henry made in the US, but it is very English in its design. The patch box should also have a round finial.

That's why I tried to suggest that this rifle "could also pass for a 1792 US Contract rifle or a Lancaster pattern trade rifle anytime in the first quarter of the 19th century." The lock and patch box is more consistent with one of these rifles.

The OP says, "I like it because it has the looks of the J Henry trade rifles." He's not viewing it as an accurate copy, but just an impression.

 

[BigSkyRambler]

That is why I said "the looks," as opposed to "looks like." But I would agree that it is more Late Lancaster.

 

[Rat]

Just looks like a damn good looking rifle to me.