Need some help and opinion to make a decision of 3 Muzzleloader rifles

Help Support Muzzle Loading Forum:

lonewolf172

40 Cal
Joined
Nov 26, 2020
Messages
151
Reaction score
30
1) .50 cal Lyman Great Plains rifle 672

2) .50 cal Underhammer kit from Pecatonica Rifle 650 Items to complete kit 100 total 750+

3) .54 cal Lyman Signature Series Great Plains rifle 806
 

NorthFork

40 Cal.
MLF Supporter
Joined
Aug 26, 2018
Messages
559
Reaction score
373
Besides the underhammer, are #1 and #3 kits or factory built? I have a real fondness for underhammers. You should know (if you don't already) that #1 is made by Investarms in Italy and #3 is made by Pedersoli of Italy.
 

FishDFly

69 Cal.
Joined
Nov 21, 2005
Messages
5,981
Reaction score
1,455
Follow Eterry's advice.

Lyman has too many reported problems.
 

.36Rooster

40 Cal
MLF Supporter
Joined
Jan 12, 2021
Messages
303
Reaction score
254
You could go with a used lyman. The old ones are great. I have a .54 slow twist. Awesome rifle. I've never wished for another hawken since I've got it. Incredibly reliable and accurate. Never had a misfire with it. Of course, I don't really struggle with misfires with any of my guns.

Only thing I really needed to do to mine was round off the sharp edge on butt plate.
 

fleener

50 Cal.
Joined
Mar 27, 2010
Messages
2,050
Reaction score
451
Location
USA
You handy enough and willing to spend the time to put the kit together? Depending on you, it might take a year or more to do the kit.

Fleener
 

lonewolf172

40 Cal
Joined
Nov 26, 2020
Messages
151
Reaction score
30
You handy enough and willing to spend the time to put the kit together? Depending on you, it might take a year or more to do the kit.

Fleener
Actually there isn't that much to do. I'm paying those at Pecatonica Rifle to do everything to the barrel so that all I have to do is maybe polish it some and then brown and put on sights. The stock forearm is already inletted for the barrel and the butt stock looks like it would just need a little shaping and fitting to the action and a little inletting for the butt plate. Here' a couple pictures of the kit.
 

Attachments

Eric Krewson

54 Cal.
MLF Supporter
Joined
Oct 10, 2004
Messages
3,058
Reaction score
1,763
Location
Florence Alabama
I take a different stance because I like traditional looking muzzleloaders and never liked the stark metal look of an under hammer which probably represent 1% or less of the muzzleloaders out there.

Then there is selling your rifle somewhere down the road, under hammers fill a niche market and you will have to find someone who loves them to sell your rifle and move on to the next level, a Kibler perhaps.
 

forty_caliber

40 Cal
MLF Supporter
Joined
Jan 22, 2021
Messages
166
Reaction score
220
Location
The birthplace of Texas
I have a Lyman GPR in .54 (Investarms). It works, but it's not great. Fit and finish are reasonable. The blue/black bluing is soft and wears off easily. The lock is horrid...weak and finicky. Have a $185 L+R lock on order from TOW to fix that. Sights aren't much better and am replacing those too...another $200.

$600 for the rifle and another $400 in upgrades out of the box.

.40
 

.36Rooster

40 Cal
MLF Supporter
Joined
Jan 12, 2021
Messages
303
Reaction score
254
I understand lymans have changed makers a lot. I don't know who made mine, or what year as I bought it used, but mine is nothing like yours. HIGH, HIGH quality.

If I had a way of identifying the Era of lyman that this model came from, I would highly recommend it. My god it is a good rifle.
 

Woodnbow

50 Cal.
MLF Supporter
Joined
Nov 16, 2009
Messages
1,362
Reaction score
1,060
I’ll second the under hammer kit. You can have a fine rifle with historical roots that can shoot with the best of them... and you built it. There’s not a lot left to complete the kit but... the difference between a run of the mill kit gun and a really beautiful rifle is almost all in the finishing.
 

Musketeer

50 Cal.
Joined
Aug 27, 2004
Messages
1,820
Reaction score
721
Location
Arizona
Of the two "sidelocks" I'd go with #3 for sure, unless you're willing to go used and can find a nice old #1.
 

LostinIdaho

32 Cal
MLF Supporter
Joined
Aug 15, 2020
Messages
12
Reaction score
7
I would go for the underhammer. I like mine better than my Dad's Great Plains Rifle. But it was an adventure to make. I like an adventure. I also like take-down rifles and rifles with interchangeable barrels.

The under-hammer design is old too from the early 1800's. There were even under-hammer flintlocks too. That would be something to try some day.
 

lonewolf172

40 Cal
Joined
Nov 26, 2020
Messages
151
Reaction score
30
I would go for the underhammer. I like mine better than my Dad's Great Plains Rifle. But it was an adventure to make. I like an adventure. I also like take-down rifles and rifles with interchangeable barrels.

The under-hammer design is old too from the early 1800's. There were even under-hammer flintlocks too. That would be something to try some day.
I am leaning more towards the Underhammer kit, .50cal 1X36" Green Mountain barrel. I think once it's finished, if I do my part, it will be a $800+ ML
 

bubba.50

54 Cal.
Joined
Aug 21, 2010
Messages
2,406
Reaction score
560
From what l’ve read, the Pedersoli Great Plains now has a 1 inch barrel. That would make it more attraactive to me but still don’t think that justifies the price tag.
 

Kansas Kid

32 Cal.
Joined
Nov 21, 2008
Messages
573
Reaction score
227
Location
Ne KS
Out of those three choices I would go with #2 . Most likely every thing made in the USA and probably a Green Mountain barrel , especially if you specify that.
 

painter

40 Cal
MLF Supporter
Joined
Nov 9, 2020
Messages
260
Reaction score
200
Location
Lakes Region, NH
Opinions are worth what you pay for them, but I'd do the underhammer kit. I just like them for their unconventionality.
 
Top