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  1. Aug 27, 2018 #21

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    I think that one was in google books. I cannot find my way back now. Pretty much a dead end because I cannot read German. I gave up.
     
  2. Aug 27, 2018 #22

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    I think this is the one I was referring to. Heinisch (1794-1872) Schwerin Warthe, Schwerin an der Warthe po. Doubtful however.
     
  3. Aug 27, 2018 #23

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    The plot thickens. Schwerin an der Warthe is a small town in Poland - not to be confungled with Schwerin in Mecklinburg. See -

    Kreis Schwerin in Posen (Polish: Powiat skwierzyński) was a county in Prussia, first in the southern administrative Region of Posen within the Prussian Province of Posen (till 1920), then within the Province of the Frontier March of Posen-West Prussia (till 1 October 1938) and at last as part of the administrative Region of Frankfurt within the Province of Brandenburg (till 1945). It presently lies in the western part of Polish region of Lubuskie Voivodeship.
     
  4. Aug 28, 2018 #24

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    I found another percussion jaeger from I. Heinisch in Schwerin on an auction site. Same trigger guard but a much less elaborate hammer. At the bottom of the page I read (tac likes this) so I assume he saw it too. Circa 1840. No other information.
     
  5. Aug 28, 2018 #25

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    The other rifle has those same letters (ad/W). Would it be too far fetched to suggest that this stands for (an der Warthe)?
     
  6. Aug 28, 2018 #26

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    If this is a Polish rifle, I believe it would be eastern European afterall.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2018 #27

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    Those letters (a.d./W) are on the barrel of both rifles also if I am not mistaken. I have to squint so I am not sure. Right after the word Schwerin.
     
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    I am sorry that I cannot produce anything other than pure speculation. I did another search specifically for the words Schwerin a.d.W and found it several times in German books from 1830's-50's but again that is nothing of value. I got carried away and my eyes hurt from reading bizarre text and squinting at small text. I quit. Carry on...
     
  9. Aug 29, 2018 #29

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    Nailed it.
     
  10. Aug 29, 2018 #30

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    It is NOT Polish. It is German, made in what was THEN part of Germany. Poland shifts around a lot over the last two hundred years.

    Even Kaliningrad was German - Koenigsberg, back then.
     
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    Yes, I meant literally (after all). The maps confused me to no end. Forget about that!
     
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    There was information in a family search that may be helpful but the occupation of the people is not listed. Perhaps you could use the dates of marriage and age to deduce and go on from there.(poznanproject.psnc.pl)
    johann Gottlieb Heinish seems to fall into the wrong time frame. Maybe his father? IDK.
     
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    Johann Gottlieb Heinisch of Skwierzyna would have been 27 in 1840. There were a handful of other possible characters. I can decipher some German but forget about Polish. Luckily the site is in English. The map search is confusing but it is handy. It would be nice to confirm that one of these characters was a gunmaker but I think that is beyond me. These appear to be church records.
     
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    As Schwerin an der Warthe was part of Germany at that time, you do not need to speak or read Polish. Look for words like 'buchsenmacher' - 'gunmaker' or 'inh.buchsenmacherei' - 'owner of gun-making concern/business' or maybe 'waffenschmidt/schmiedt' - another form of 'gun-maker'

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    The Lutheran church where this character was married was in Swinary (Schweinert). This is a village less than 5 miles from Schwerin an der Warthe.
     
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    Please tell us how you got onto the parish records of a minor township in the podunks of just about nowhere.
     
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    It was poznanproject.psnc.pl. It is in English. There are records for Jewish, Luteran, and Catholics and refined search options. I don't think Schwerin an der Warthe was (is) a small town. It is the capital of the county of the same name (Schwerin). Of course the Polish names are different.
     
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    That forward sling swivel/hook looks interesting.
    How does it work?

    I have a couple of ideas, but they are only speculation.
     
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    I wasn't talking about Schwerin a/d Warthe when I made my comment - I was talking about what you called a village.
     
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    I messed that up anyway. That character's name was Heinrich. Johann Joseph Heinisch was the father of Eduard Robert Heinisch who was 28 1/2 years old when he married Amalie Kowalski in 1857 at a protestant church in Skweirzyna (Schwerin an der Warthe). Another possibility.
     

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