Discussion in 'Camp and Trail Gear' started by Le Loup, Nov 4, 2018.
I agree, I was a young man with family we killed to eat. Now, by myself, I think, if I kill it, I got to dress it. By dressing I mean everything to preserve the kill, including the hide. I have a little land, so I let the young'uns hunt. I taught them how to dress and save the skins, but I get a little parcel of the feast. Killing is a gift from the killed. I honor my kills of the past for giving their life for mine.
Those politicians need to be quartered and drawn. Put them in the outback with no stations near.
Agreed, the thought that a herd of inept clowns can pass verdict and make a law concerning something that they have absolutely zero concept of is absolutely asinine. We see so much of it no matter where or what your political or geographic position may be.
It wasn't all that long ago when trophy hunting was widely accepted. Go out, kill a deer or elk, take the head, and leave the rest to rot. Partly public sentiment and party laws has mostly put an end to that.
I’m thinking it was Ruxton, who wrote about him and a companion shooting a buffalo. And saying it was a shame to kill a big animal just for two men’s supper. Finally they shot the poorest and most elderly looking cow they could find.
Even then, real hunters believed ‘waste naught want naught.’
At least she took some of the meat.
Our deer herd is hurting. Farmers kill too many and gut shoot them to die in brush or the woods. Any that drop are thrown in a ravine to rot. All good meat that can feed hundreds but you can't give it free, you pay to process. Long ago I had rights and unlimited tags to kill on orchards and farms but we donated meat and never had to pay. Nothing went to waste. PA is the worst here and they kill deer all year but when the hunting season opens they can't find any to shoot. I live in WV and only shot one deer last season but heard a farmer up above shot 250 deer in his fields to rot. We never did that and just thinned some to make a herd healthy. I could hunt from lake Erie to the river with hundreds of farms and never killed too many at each farm. Only in hunting season too, never all year. Seen chuck hunters in PA gut shoot deer to run into the woods and then go back in season to get nothing. You grow a little more for animals. New machines leave no grain on the ground either but does a farmer need every grain of corn? Birds are also gone now.
You're right about that. Fall tillage and land spreading are also starving birds.
Being from Michigan, when I was a kid then pheasant and quail hunting was fantastic. Had some real bad winters that thinned them out some. Then all the little dairy farmers started started dying off. The big outfits came in and farmed road to road. No more cows, no more fence rows, no place to nest, no more birds.
Removing fence rows should be a crime, along with defoliants. Fence rows harbor a dizzying and diverse array of flora and fauna. They bulldoze them into oblivion all for an extra bushel of $3 corn.
I grew up on a farm in rural Ohio and still live just around the corner from the home place.A massive change that affects the entire food chain is the largely unnoticed destruction of the insect population. Birds rely heavily on them. Even twenty years ago, driving your car at night in the summer resulted in a windshield literally covered with dead bugs. Now, just a few. You could look across your yard and fields and the lightning bugs would be out in the millions, now just a few lonely little lights here and there. Mostly due to chemicals, which by the way, we are also ingesting along with the bugs, deer, etc.
Glad I'm not the only one that has noticed.
I see the chemicals here when the power company sprays under wires. I will not allow it so they have to hand cut. A neighbor had bee hives and lost all, replaced and lost them again so he quit. I almost never see a honey bee. Farmers and others do not understand the destruction they do. Then imported bugs that get here from ships are ruining everything.
I keep bees -- which did not die like those of most people I know -- because I'm far enough away from conventional farms. Then my neighbor decided he wanted to grow some corn/soy for a deer food plot. To his credit, he checked all the local seed distributors for seed that was untreated with neonicotinoid pesticides, but wasn't able to find a single one. Finally planted it to see how it went... and I'm now buying bees again for the first time in a decade.
Of course, it's not just bees that these treatments are killing, but a whole army of insects, especially those which feed on pollen, and then the birds that eat those insects. IMHO, the US has gone insane. The politicians and regulators are all bought off, the regular people either don't care or are glued to their widescreen propaganda-boxes which fill their minds with stories of the Kardashians, and meanwhile the world that we all depend on dies.
BTW -- our local utility did some line maintenance recently, and asked if they could spray their right of way on our property. I asked what they were using. I don't remember the name now, but one of their herbicides is banned -- in *CHINA* (where DDT is still legal!)-- but not the US!
Couldn't agree more! My farm is one of two places I know of that has a newly planted hedgerow of osage orange. It's wonderful to see all the birds and wildlife that are now starting to use it.
Next month when everything is in full foliage and bloom I suggest everyone take a walk along an unspoiled fence mature row if you can find one. You'll find plants you can't identify, multiple species of birds and bees that you won't see anywhere else.
We dearly love the birds and they are fed all year. Deer come to eat and once in a while turkeys come and I can walk past them. My little dog does not bother anything and ignores deer, squirrels and birds. Deer have come within 10' of her and she just sits there. We had quail long ago but got a deep snow and rain that froze on top. Killed them off so we have none at all. There are no birds to hunt at all. I will not shoot crows or ravines anymore.
We have a deer with 3 legs that came today with a younger one. The 2 dogs in my yard barked at them but are in a huge pen. The deer were not bothered and even when I yelled at the dogs to get in they stood there. Me with my baby. If you don't love animals I have no use for you. She is sleeping under my seat in the basement and loves to go for a ride to see neighbors and dogs. She even loves cats.
In Europe, something has to be proven safe before it's approved for use.
Here, something has to be proven harmful before it's banned from use, maybe. All hail the Corporations!
Up till 2012 I lived in the woods and just had a clearing around my house. I had a wire fenced in area for my little dogs. They would bark and run up and down the fence line looking at deer not ten yards away, the deer ignored them. Every spring and fall turkey would come up andmy dogs jumped and watched and barked.... the turkey looked bored... and continued eating acorns.
We had quail here in NW ohio also. My favorite bird to hunt and quite tasty. Mom always threw those I brought home from the morning hunt in with the turkey on thanksgiving. Back to back blizzards in 78 and 79 killed them all off here. I've tried to get them started, but they don't make it.
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