M1809/39 from Danzig

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  1. Jun 18, 2019 #1

    PJB

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    Hi
    I search pictures prussian percussion musket:
    M1809/39
    M1839
    M1809/55
    M1839/55

    popular named "Potsdam" produced by Arsenal in Danzig (now is Gdańsk) and used in Civil War time.

    I interesting special pictures guns with markings on this, with mark U.S. Property or Confederate and other added after import to U.S.

    Regards: PJB

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    link for: Konigliche Gewehrfabrik Danzig
    https://forum.odkrywca.pl/topic/764917-kgl-gewehrfabrik-danzig/

    similar topic on CivilWarTalk:
    https://civilwartalk.com/threads/musket-m1809-39-from-danzig.159007/
    (with active link)


    Of course before when asking on forum I making little research for this thema.

    This is my basic information:

    1. Rifleman Q&A : Civil War Import
    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/5/15/rifleman-q-a-civil-war-import/
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    2.MUSKET, RIFLED - GERMAN MUSKET MODEL 1809 PERCUSSION CONVERSION .72
    http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPC...g/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=13257,DATABASE=objects,

    3. book - Civil War Guns
    https://archive.org/details/Civil_War_Guns/page/n3

    4.
    THE PERCUSSIONING OF U.S. MARTIAL FIREARMS
    Schmidt, Peter A.
    American Society of Arms Collectors (ASAC) Bulletin, Bulletin Number 43 (Fall, 1980)

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    And of course most pictures from some other forums and auctions, but I have not yet grouped them and described them.

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    from auction:
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    source:http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/civilwarantiques/1stApril2011webcat.html

    from auction:
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    source:https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/58494109_civil-war-danzig-1834-75-percussion-musket-rifle

    from auction
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    source: https://www.ima-usa.com/products/or...musket-marked-danzig-1821?variant=26169780037

    from auction:
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    source: https://www.ima-usa.com/products/or...09-30-percussion-conversion-musket-dated-1830

    What is history this gun?

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    https://www.icollector.com/PRUSSIAN-MUSKET-MODEL-POTTSDAM-MODEL-1809-CALIBER-72-PERCUSSION_i29276018
     
  2. Jun 18, 2019 #2

    Stantheman86

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    Very neat musket with a lot of history, I think it's unlikely that a musket of this type would have "kill marks" given that no soldier using a smoothbore would be likely to be able to tell if he killed individual soldiers.

    Maybe he was counting months left in his enlistment, battles he was involved in, or the musket was used post war and someone tracked how many deer they took with it.
     
  3. Jun 19, 2019 #3

    PJB

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    GAZETTE DES ARMES N°433 JUI/AOÛ 2011
    Les fusils prussiens de pionnier (1850-1875) 1ere partie
     

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  4. Jun 21, 2019 #4

    hawkeye2

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    Or somebody added them in 1955 to make the musket more saleable. :)
     
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  5. Jun 22, 2019 #5

    Zonie

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    This is the butt on a 1842 Springfield I once owned.

    Needless to say, all sorts of things can happen to a military gun after it passes into regular peoples hands.

    Things they would get court marshaled for if they were in the service don't count when Joe or Fred buy the gun.

    1842butt.jpg

    That's why assuming a few notches someone carved in the stock doesn't make a lot of sense.
     
  6. Jun 22, 2019 #6

    Stantheman86

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    If I had a dollar for every old rifle I've seen with "kill marks" :)
     

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