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All the ramrod wear marking in barrels i've seen , including my own , is usually in one area and depending if the loader is right handed or left handed , and or the barrel is too long for the loader to hold the rifle vertical when loading. ... It won't be even all the way around unless the muzzle is coned for easier ball starting.. Just an opinion from what i've observed. oldwood
 

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Old wood, did you start your Killdeer build? Who's precarve are you using?
 

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Bill Rooks used to build a copy of the movie gun........you can find some photos of one by searching killdeer rifle in google......it has set triggers....not sure if the movie gun had set triggers or a simple trigger.....movie gun had a small siler lock (to make it look longer), Rupp buttplate....Haines trigger guard.....some carving , incised......
 

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From another forum.....

"Barrel was swamped .50 caliber built by Getz (1 1/16 at breech, 13/16 at mid, and 7/8 at muzzle) 50 inches long
Lock—Small Siler (made gun look even longer) (Mann wanted to make the gun look as long as possible)
Triggers—Davis
Allentown School (Rupp), with all iron furniture (Rupp buttplate, Isaac Haines trigger guard)
Stock stained light ( Brian Lemaster and Wayne worked together on the stain on this rifle and
some of the other rifles from "Last of the Mohicans"
 

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Hlane........I got a stock , barrel inlet , R/R routed and drilled , from a friend who is retired from the stock carving business maybe 10+ years ago. I haven't started the build yet and will probably begin in November w/ a finish date end of Jan. 2021. I won't be using the list of parts used on the original movie gun though. I'll go brass , no Lancaster Hanes parts , and no small Siler lock. Since the rifle seems to fit the sort-of Lehigh school description of the 1760 era , I'll go w/Lehigh. I'll alter the length of pull for a normal human frame , as DDL length of pull was perhaps 15+ inches. As old Granny from W.Va. used to say , "he's a big'un." Will be fun sighting this rifle in.
I was working away from home at the time , and the local theater in the town was showing the movie and I was bored w/ nothing to do at night. I viewed the movie three nights in a row and enjoyed it to the maximum. I read all Eckert's books and other sources as well , so was historically prepped for the movie story line. .........oldwood
 

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Old wood, sounds cool....please post pictures of your build......in the process myself of getting as much info and parts together myself......think I'm going more for the "movie gun"........over the years, there have been many threads on this particular rifle.........many call the rifle a fantasy piece and to forget it and build a HC rifle.......my thoughts are, all are " fantasy" pieces.......none of us are long hunters, trappers, or what not......I just enjoy the guns, I grew up with Fess Parker's Daniel Boone on tv.......that show sparked my imagination and gave me the interest in ML guns........
 

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Hlane.....More power to you. Make us proud. When I was starting into building m/l guns , I visited Dick and Donnie Getz' barrel shop. Donnie asked me , what do you expect to accomplish making m/l guns? Jokingly I said ,I wanted to cover the earth w/them.. Again , still trying to fulfill my wish. What has tempered my m/l experience is in depth study of "why were the guns made as they were?" In this study , I've found what happened in history on the frontier to bias m/l history. Personal accounts written down by relatives of the original actors have given a glimpse here and there of the guns used , what they used them for , how they hunted, the Indian wars fought , and how the guns fit into their daily lives.
Also , there is a good amount of info on the Moravian Brotherhood gun builders in eastern Pa.. Their mission statement of "helping all people in need" , caused them to come from central Europe to the American frontier, and so bringing central European gun science w/them which proved to be inadequate for the people living here. These imported m/l gunsmiths quickly followed the needs of the frontier hunters, and others wanting to protect their families . Nowadays , history , more than anything , effects what I build.
Early on , by looking at original guns , I found the sticklers to the idea of , "they never did that." , were just mostly uninformed of the true picture of what was actually done. Anyway , I'm way out in the weeds , cane break , or what ever................oldwood
 

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In the 50 odd years since that tv show, I've read books, handled originals and fine crafted contemporary guns......have a couple or three of each.......I enjoy just about everything connected to these weapons.......just amused when "Killdeer" comes up and the bay sayers climb on the soapbox and espout why a person should not build such a rifle. ... I'm old enough now to realize I don't need validation from anyone......now, if we want to talk about a really "wrong" rifle, take a look at the one used by Parker in Daniel Boone! 😆
 

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Dear Oldwood . I like your mission statement you' Wanted to cover the earth with guns '. Well ML ones at least. I've only made just short of 200 but they do span the earth in distribution & for that matter styles( I didn't count' in the whites' or rock drill & copper pipe '.specials' )or restocked . It is indeed a bold man who declares "They never did that ! " very likely most did stick within a certain style but there are always quirky folks who did what they fancied . Good on you .
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I know the current owner of the ‘Killdeer’ rifle built for Danial Day Lewis. He’s getting old, and hasn’t been at our recent BP shoots, yet is still quite alive, but is only a few towns away from me.

I’ll give him a call and see if I can arrange to take some measurements and photos!
 

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Rudyard..............Congrats....@ 200 , you have done well. I'm only in the 150 range. My only regret , is having a very difficult and stressful professional career lasting 41 years. M/l rifle art kept me relatively sane and allowed me to meet many like minded , and talented folks. My latest endeavor is to help a couple of aspiring m/l builders see if they can develop the skills to build a m/l rifle. It's a work in progress.............oldwood
 

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I know the current owner of the ‘Killdeer’ rifle built for Danial Day Lewis. He’s getting old, and hasn’t been at our recent BP shoots, yet is still quite alive, but is only a few towns away from me.

I’ll give him a call and see if I can arrange to take some measurements and photos!
That would be great! As much this rifle is talked about, there are precious few pictures, & none of them very good! It would be nice to see some good photos and have accurate measurements!
 
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