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Since I have decided to go 100% front-stuffer for hunting this was my first bird shoot (other than a Turkey). The White-Wing Dove season opened and I was in the "Dove Capital" of Texas with a limit of 15 birds.

I had never used Pyrodex powder before but I found two pounds of RS for a good price and figured it would be ok in the smoothbore. I got CCI #11 Mag percussion caps. My 19 gauge side x side had IC/MOD choking. I ordered some OP wads, Cushion wads, and OS cards. The cushion wads were dry so I stood them in a little olive oil overnight and they became saturated about 3/4 up without being soppy.

In order to be able to load quickly I rolled 25 paper tubes from an old phone book and tied one end with wool string, filled with 1-oz of shot (#7) and tied the other end. I then used the same 1-oz cup to measure out Pyrodex and I filled 50 plastic vials with powder.

Once on site, I also put on the ground in front of me a little divided tray with the OP, and OS cards and cap tray in it and a separate little container with the cushion wads. I used a metal ramrod that I kept next to me.

For my initial two shots I did not use the paper shot tubes or pre-measured vials of powder, I just used the scoop and loaded loose.

First shot was an incomer at 25-yards and the IC barrel dumped it perfectly. This was a nice satisfying start. As the shooting went on a few interesting things and observations occurred. First, I did not notice any smoke from the Pyrodex. For turkey I used Goex and there was a lot of smoke and for big game with ball out of this gun I used Triple 7 and there was noticeable smoke. The next thing that happened about half way through was that I got the ramrod stuck. I don't know how or what it stuck on. I thought maybe it penetrated the OS card. I used some pliers to twist it and I poured a little water down the barrel to soften whatever it was holding it. Eventually it came out and that shot fired just fine. I had no mis-fires. I had one slight delay. I had one sort of dud, it went off but not with full force. One time I shot the left barrel first and the cap came off the right nipple.

I did not clean or swab during the shoot. I fired 31 shots and took 7 doves. The first few were single low incomers and fell quickly. Once the flocks started and the shooting picked up all around the birds were in groups of 10-50 and much higher. The last few birds were incomers between 30 and 40-yards. The choke, shot size and even gauge may not have been ideal for the range, but I figured out to lead about twice what I was used to with a conventional shotgun. Once figured out I connected on the next few. When I ran out of paper shot tubes I just loaded a scoop of shot loose. I did notice that my first shot and two of my last shots connected, so I don't see any advantage to shot tubes other than the speed of loading. Maybe psychological, but I think the loose shot worked better. I've patterned both at 25-yards and they were very similar. Maybe further out there is a difference.

There was one couple that had a lot of modern technology including fancy colored choke tubes, headsets with communications in them and chairs with shell pockets and a dove cooler. They were a generation or three below me and sneered at me, made a few comments about "wasting my time" and "scaring the birds away" and asked at one point why I bothered. A few older guys respected my efforts and were somewhat impressed in my determination. Personally, it was a lot of fun and quite satisfying to stick with it and be successful. This shoot lasted about 2-hours. If I had done the morning and afternoon shoot I probably would have had a daily limit, same if I had two guns and a loader. For me, it wasn't about the number of birds but rather the "figuring it out" and the mild success with old school technology.

Back at home I did the soapy water flush and with just 4 passes in each barrel the patches were clean. I followed with light liquid WD-40 and greased the nipple threads. When I pulled the locks they were perfectly clean already - the fit and finish it tight and nothing got in there. I store this barrel-down and will run a dry patch and another with protectant in about 3-days.

One of the other shooters snapped a picture of my gun while I was picking up another bird. He sent it to me later in the evening. I guess he was curious enough to capture the scene.
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Way to go Sparkitoff. :thumbs up:

It's always great to hear about people going out in public and hunting with their muzzleloaders. A lot of people don't realize these guns can shoot just as well as modern guns do and they sometimes sneer at us for using them. When they see the success that the muzzleloading hunter has they might not change their tune publicly but in their own mind they must realize these old fashioned guns shoot very well.

IMO, 7 birds for 31 shots is as good as many people can do with their modern stuff. In fact, I think your success ratio is great. :)
I've known hunters to go thru 50 shots and only have a few birds to show for their aching shoulder at the end of the day. You might say, I've been there, done that. :(

For those who have never hunted White Wing Doves, they often fly at speeds of over 45 mph. After the first few shots are fired at them on opening day, rather than just flying in a straight line, they add rapid changes up and down and right and left to their flight often causing them to change their direction, just at the time your pulling the trigger.
 
Agree that 7 birds using 31 shots is above average. Around here the old addage of 1 or 2 birds per box of modern shells has held true , at least wirh me.
 
There is no doubt that a muzzle loading shotgun in equal bore size to a breech loader can shoot shot for shot as much game at a given 30 to 40 yards . This applies to shooting pigeons etc over decoys , walking up shooting over dogs or shooting driven birds something I have proven many times .
Feltwad
 
Since I have decided to go 100% front-stuffer for hunting this was my first bird shoot (other than a Turkey). The White-Wing Dove season opened and I was in the "Dove Capital" of Texas with a limit of 15 birds.

I had never used Pyrodex powder before but I found two pounds of RS for a good price and figured it would be ok in the smoothbore. I got CCI #11 Mag percussion caps. My 19 gauge side x side had IC/MOD choking. I ordered some OP wads, Cushion wads, and OS cards. The cushion wads were dry so I stood them in a little olive oil overnight and they became saturated about 3/4 up without being soppy.

In order to be able to load quickly I rolled 25 paper tubes from an old phone book and tied one end with wool string, filled with 1-oz of shot (#7) and tied the other end. I then used the same 1-oz cup to measure out Pyrodex and I filled 50 plastic vials with powder.

Once on site, I also put on the ground in front of me a little divided tray with the OP, and OS cards and cap tray in it and a separate little container with the cushion wads. I used a metal ramrod that I kept next to me.

For my initial two shots I did not use the paper shot tubes or pre-measured vials of powder, I just used the scoop and loaded loose.

First shot was an incomer at 25-yards and the IC barrel dumped it perfectly. This was a nice satisfying start. As the shooting went on a few interesting things and observations occurred. First, I did not notice any smoke from the Pyrodex. For turkey I used Goex and there was a lot of smoke and for big game with ball out of this gun I used Triple 7 and there was noticeable smoke. The next thing that happened about half way through was that I got the ramrod stuck. I don't know how or what it stuck on. I thought maybe it penetrated the OS card. I used some pliers to twist it and I poured a little water down the barrel to soften whatever it was holding it. Eventually it came out and that shot fired just fine. I had no mis-fires. I had one slight delay. I had one sort of dud, it went off but not with full force. One time I shot the left barrel first and the cap came off the right nipple.

I did not clean or swab during the shoot. I fired 31 shots and took 7 doves. The first few were single low incomers and fell quickly. Once the flocks started and the shooting picked up all around the birds were in groups of 10-50 and much higher. The last few birds were incomers between 30 and 40-yards. The choke, shot size and even gauge may not have been ideal for the range, but I figured out to lead about twice what I was used to with a conventional shotgun. Once figured out I connected on the next few. When I ran out of paper shot tubes I just loaded a scoop of shot loose. I did notice that my first shot and two of my last shots connected, so I don't see any advantage to shot tubes other than the speed of loading. Maybe psychological, but I think the loose shot worked better. I've patterned both at 25-yards and they were very similar. Maybe further out there is a difference.

There was one couple that had a lot of modern technology including fancy colored choke tubes, headsets with communications in them and chairs with shell pockets and a dove cooler. They were a generation or three below me and sneered at me, made a few comments about "wasting my time" and "scaring the birds away" and asked at one point why I bothered. A few older guys respected my efforts and were somewhat impressed in my determination. Personally, it was a lot of fun and quite satisfying to stick with it and be successful. This shoot lasted about 2-hours. If I had done the morning and afternoon shoot I probably would have had a daily limit, same if I had two guns and a loader. For me, it wasn't about the number of birds but rather the "figuring it out" and the mild success with old school technology.

Back at home I did the soapy water flush and with just 4 passes in each barrel the patches were clean. I followed with light liquid WD-40 and greased the nipple threads. When I pulled the locks they were perfectly clean already - the fit and finish it tight and nothing got in there. I store this barrel-down and will run a dry patch and another with protectant in about 3-days.

One of the other shooters snapped a picture of my gun while I was picking up another bird. He sent it to me later in the evening. I guess he was curious enough to capture the scene.
ML-DOVE.jpg

great story, thanks for sharing
 
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I think you did right well! Squirrels and a turkey were the only game taken with the ml shotgun I had. Dan.
 

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