Information on this old gun.

[Jamiejohn]

This old gun belonged to my great grandfather and was wondering if anyone knew the approximate age and were it was made ? Any information would be greatly appreciated. As you can see the take down lock is separated off the barrel, was that silver soldered to the barrel ?
Thank you. Jamie.

 

[Jamiejohn]

More pictures of the same old gun. Hope they help With any information on it

 

[44Bro]

Not silver solder, or at least not high temp silver. Clean the tenon, flux and tin it, and reinstall it. It wont take a lot of heat to do. Otherwise it's a British made gun, can't tell much more than that. BTW nice gun.

 

[Loyer]

Pretty standard muzzle loading double barrel shotgun. Not bad but not valuable either.

 

[Eterry]

The book im re-reading, English Game Guns and Rifles talks about Wednesday Skelp Iron guns and Two-Penny Iron Guns. Perhaps this is one.
A good using gun for the average hunter. If you ordered enough of them they'd engrave whatever you wanted on the rib.

 

[sheriff john]

Either that's a really small gun or you have a mighty big dog. Nice old shotgun for its age. British proofmarks. Keep it in the family along with some written notation of the family history for those who come after you.

 

[Thagomizer]

Make SURE it isn't loaded before applying any heat.

 

[Thagomizer]

Also be careful that you don't unsolder the barrel to rib joint.

 

[Jamiejohn]

Either that's a really small gun or you have a mighty big dog. Nice old shotgun for its age. British proofmarks. Keep it in the family along with some written notation of the family history for those who come after you.

The book im re-reading, English Game Guns and Rifles talks about Wednesday Skelp Iron guns and Two-Penny Iron Guns. Perhaps this is one.
A good using gun for the average hunter. If you ordered enough of them they'd engrave whatever you wanted on the rib.

Thanks for the reply.
I can’t find any information on the name that is engraved on the rib and that may explain why. Still pondering on its age and thinking somewhere around 1890 ?

 

[Jamiejohn]

Either that's a really small gun or you have a mighty big dog. Nice old shotgun for its age. British proofmarks. Keep it in the family along with some written notation of the family history for those who come after you.

Yes he is a big goofy dog and I can’t do anything without him having his nose in it. Lol
Hopefully it stays in the family for many more generations. Wish I knew more about the history of the gun but will definitely keep notes for future generations.
Thanks.

 

[Jamiejohn]

Was thinking if I heat the lock and not the barrel till the solder under it melts I should be ok ?
Thanks for the reply.

 

[Eterry]

This old gun belonged to my great grandfather and was wondering if anyone knew the approximate age and were it was made ? Any information would be greatly appreciated. As you can see the take down lock is separated off the barrel, was that silver soldered to the barrel ?
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Btw, Belgium doubles are so strong they seem to be welded together. Not so much with English doubles. I've seen a few doubles come in the shop where I worked that were separated and now scrap iron because of to much heat on the barrels.

I'd consider an epoxy if you're gonna hang it on the wall.

 

[Jamiejohn]

The book im re-reading, English Game Guns and Rifles talks about Wednesday Skelp Iron guns and Two-Penny Iron Guns. Perhaps this is one.
A good using gun for the average hunter. If you ordered enough of them they'd engrave whatever you wanted on the rib.

Btw, Belgium doubles are so strong they seem to be welded together. Not so much with English doubles. I've seen a few doubles come in the shop where I worked that were separated and now scrap iron because of to much heat on the barrels.

I'd consider an epoxy if you're gonna hang it on the wall.

Maybe I should take it to a gunsmith and get it done properly. Not sure if the gun is or would be safe to fire someday but I would feel terrible if I was the one that messed it up and prevented that.
Thanks for your knowledge.

 

[52Bore]

Under rib looks loose as well toward the breechplug as evidence of a soft solder glob. They probably are not solid anymore: Caution.
Birmingham proof marks. Mid-late 19th Century.
No makers name usually indicates lower quality and possibly made for export..

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

English barrels are soft soldered together. The Belgians used brazing