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I have a serious question about the use of the Enfield rifle in the American Civil War.

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From what I've read, the poor marksmanship of relatively untrained American Civil War soldiers is exactly why the NRA was started after the war (to promote training in marksmanship) with Burnside as it's first President.
Going from memory I think the NRA started in England and caught on over here after the Civil War
In Great Britain, late in 1859 the National Rifle Association (NRA) was fomed and its aims included "the encouragement of Volunteer Rifle Corps and the promotion of rifle shooting throughout Great Britain."

The impetus for the development of marksmanship skills within America's National Guard units came from the pages of the Army and Navy Journal. The editor was William Church, and a kindred spirit was George Wingate, whose "Manual for Rifle Practice" appeared in six instalments in the Journal in late 1870 and early 1871. Throughout his editorials Church urged for marksmanship training, and in September 1871 he held a meeting for New York National Guard officers interested in developing marksmanship skills amongst their troops. From this initial informal meeting and nucleus of interested parties, seeds were sown for the formation of a new association. Just two months after the original meeting, on 17 November 1871, "the National Rifle Association", was granted a charter by the state of New York, "to promote rifle practice, and for this purpose to provide a suitable range or ranges in the vicinity of New York … …" See also - Creedmoor, History of the Range.

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In Great Britain, late in 1859 the National Rifle Association (NRA) was fomed and its aims included "the encouragement of Volunteer Rifle Corps and the promotion of rifle shooting throughout Great Britain."

The impetus for the development of marksmanship skills within America's National Guard units came from the pages of the Army and Navy Journal. The editor was William Church, and a kindred spirit was George Wingate, whose "Manual for Rifle Practice" appeared in six instalments in the Journal in late 1870 and early 1871. Throughout his editorials Church urged for marksmanship training, and in September 1871 he held a meeting for New York National Guard officers interested in developing marksmanship skills amongst their troops. From this initial informal meeting and nucleus of interested parties, seeds were sown for the formation of a new association. Just two months after the original meeting, on 17 November 1871, "the National Rifle Association", was granted a charter by the state of New York, "to promote rifle practice, and for this purpose to provide a suitable range or ranges in the vicinity of New York … …" See also - Creedmoor, History of the Range.

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Yes, and if you read quotes from Church and Wingate (both Union army vets) as to reason, they stated it was because of how poorly trained the union soldiers were in handling their weapons during the war.
 

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A brief observation on the accuracy of English military rifles.
As a schoolboy, my sport was rifle shooting. I started with the WW1 style SMLE and then moved to the No4 that replaced it. In time for the competition season, our armory SM proudly announced that he had finangled new No4s for our team. They bore numbers that indicated that the barrels had come from the "ideal" point whereby the machine tools were run-in but not showing wear. We were told to grind in the bolts with valve lapping paste and finally, they were Fulton regulated.

They were classified for army competitions but potentially better than the average issue.

Sorry, not ML stuff but it seemed relevant to this discussion.
 
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Very well stated my friend. It brings to mind the fundamental shooters standards of what does accuracy mean?

I’m of the opinion that accuracy is determined by what is acceptable for the circumstances. If one is competing for a place on an Olympic target team then only small tight groups are acceptable accuracy. If hunting meat, anywhere in the vital area to make a clean humane kill is acceptable. If killing our fellow human beings, a hit pretty much anywhere from crotch to forehead will be enough to put him out of action.

So with regard to a rifled musket’s slow heavy bullet hitting a man pretty much anywhere on his anatomy at 100 or 1000 yards is acceptable accuracy.
I’m fairly ignorant about revolutionary & civil war tactics but it seems to me that lines of men shooting at other lines of men who are shooting at them need not be much concerned with 3” or 6” accuracy, but simple 0 to 6’ high and who cares about right & left. Hit by an .57 mini anywhere will most likely put you down. Rapid rate of reloading would be a better technique to learn. Accuracy today is needed for game hunting and skill testing (target shooting).
 
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If a rifled-musket and minié/Pritchett ball was used on a modern battlefield, it might be a criminal offence for inflicting undue pain and trauma. We are all familiar with the dreadful wounds they caused in history.

I don’t mean to go off on a tangent…I only thought in regards to mitigating ‘acceptable accuracy’, even a ten-inch hit zone at 300 yards with a soft lead minié ball is more likely to make a mortal wound.
A hit from head to toe, takes a soldier out of the fight

The Minie was designed to increase firepower and extend the accurate range of the rifle. The big, slow, heavy lead bullet inflicted traumatic wounds that were hard to treat.

It was basically a case of doing the best you could with what you had, for both the US and CS. Most of your men would barely be able to load and Discharge the weapon in a battle let alone hit anything.

Breechloaders, bolt action rifles, semi autos and select fire rifles simply allowed soldiers to miss each other more efficiently and expend more ammo in misses vs hits

The books "On Combat " and "On Killing" cover this in depth, and WAY in depth. Basically how it was not only soldiers lack of ability but lack of desire to kill. It is known that many young soldiers in the Civil War aimed way over the heads of the enemy in their first action or two , because shooting a firearm at another human is against our primitive psychological makeup. It takes "practice " to become able to kill for most people.

Even in later wars it is thought that only 15-20% of regular line soldiers in combat fire their weapons with any intent to hit other men. Some troops, especially conscripts, are just kinda making it through and in the Civil War that might mean just loading and firing somewhere and just hoping everything ends or they get to run before having to kill someone
 
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At Balaclava, earlier in 1854, Russian gunners trying this tactic were slaughtered as they loaded their cannon by a small group of riflemen from the Rifle Brigade, who picked them off at ranges of around 1000 yards with their spiffy new Enfield rifles.
Without even a peep sight to aid them, without constant long range practice, that's some amazing shooting.
 

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The tactics used by nearly all armies of the period were made obsolete by the Prussians armed with their Dreyse needle gun and their mission oriented tactics.
 
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If during the 1860's war one side had developed training and tactics to best make use on a large scale of the accuracy available... thinking about that could give you the shudders. But then again, mobility, maneuver and communications being what they were perhaps it just wasn't feasible to do much besides just the things they did.
 
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I saw a study done I believe shortly after WWll in which a significant percentage of soldiers never fired directly at the opposing force because of their reluctance to kill. That is why the American military now uses pop up silhouettes instead of the bullseye target in an effort to desensitize soldiers to shooting another human. Also there were many rifles picked up of the Gettysburg battlefields that had numerous loads in the barrel that had not been fired. Killing is not as easy as some people assume.
I've heard of this before... supposedly there are some YouTube videos addressing it. I cannot really address the historical aspects, but the pop-up human targets of relatively recent years seem to have "helped" I suppose. I never killed anyone, though I did hold a few men at gun point over the years. Honestly, nobody really knows what they will do in that situation unless they have actually been there and done it. That said, I have no doubt that if I'd been tasked to pick off individual targets at long range, I could have done it. Then again, I might be a psychopath... I got no way of knowing for sure.

Human beings as a group are a pretty savage lot really, but some are more savage than others. I've known over the years, about three murderers... two of them as children, long before they had killed anyone (that I know about anyway). Those two individuals were at least bullies and sociopaths when I knew them as children. So let's say that people are maybe about 1 in 1000 potential killers, based on the number of murderers I met in elementary school vs. the number of children I knew back then.

Figuring the relatively low rate of exposure of children to realistic violence back then, I'd guess that was fairly close to the same ratio they had pre-civil war. Now, with the stuff in video games being marketed as all in good fun, I think that ratio has changed dramatically. We are creating killers out of children... so it is no big surprise that there are young psychopathic killers out there in record numbers now.
 
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I fully intend to ask Brett Gibbons about it, as he has written an excellent book about 'The English Cartridge'. In this book he describes one of the first uses in war of massed rifles against massed infantry, in this case, the British against the Russians at the Battle of Inkerman on 5 November 1854, a full nine and bit years before the Battle of Gettysburg.

As at Gettysburg, the Russian gunners were in the habit of firing a softening-up barrage prior to any attack. At Balaclava, earlier in 1854, Russian gunners trying this tactic were slaughtered as they loaded their cannon by a small group of riflemen from the Rifle Brigade, who picked them off at ranges of around 1000 yards with their spiffy new Enfield rifles. Much chastened by this, the few surviving Russians hitched up their guns and quit the field.

Shortly afterwards, the paradigm shift Battle of Inkerman took place, when Russian infantry, estimated at more than 35,000 strong, were advancing in two long columns up a slight incline in an attempt to take the ridgeline from the British Second Infantry Division, guarding the way to Sevastopol. They were bottlenecked by the topography - the most awful fate of any infantry column that might fall under the purview of opposition armed with superior weaponry. The Russians had the Tula flintlock musket, with a maximum range of about 300 yards with little or no accuracy past 80 -100 yards. The British, with their new Enfield rifles, had already demonstrated to the Russians at Balaclava that individuals a thousand yards away were in great and lethal danger from aimed fire.

The result was predictable, and as awful as you might imagine.

The British, armed with the then-new Enfield rifles musket shooting either a Pritchett or Minié bullet, in initially opened fire at 1200 yards, causing instant wholesale slaughter among the smooth-bore-using Russians, who had no way of responding to the hail of lead. The British carried on shooting all the way down to 300 yards, causing slaughter on an unprecedented scale. All three Russian commanders died during the battle, joined by over 5000 dead Russians and well over 10000 wounded, many of whom must have succumbed to their injuries. One observer noted that the British bullets were passing through two or even three of the Russians before being spent. Lord Russell noted grimly the volleys of the Minié cleft them like the hand of the Destroying Angel, and they fell like leaves before them.'

In my mind's eye, I can see Union troops on top of Cemetery Ridge, opening fire on the massed Confederate soldier of Pickett's Brigade as they left the relative safety of the tree-line, and causing similar level of slaughter all the way up to the foot of the ridge.

Except, they didn't.

As at Inkerman, the Confederates were advancing up an incline, intent on taking the ridge, preceded by artillery. They ought, by rights, to have been utterly annihilated, but were not. I've walked that same bit of ground three times in my life, and I hope to do it again some day. and even then I wondered why the Union did not use their rifled firearms with the same effect as those other soldiers, in another war, against a similarly massed enemy.

Where can I find out why the American infantry of both sides, equipped with similar weapons, did not employ the same tactics? If they had done so at Gettysburg, the doomed charge of Pickett's Brigade would have been wiped off the map less than half-way up the hill, and the Confederate artillery would, in like fashion, have succumbed to accurate long-range shooting - except, there wasn't any.

Why not?
Well thiers two ' Enfield rifles' here .The 1851 Minie about a 16 bore then the 1853 smaller 577 bore. Enfield . Brett's aware of this. Which one did the most ruination isn't clear but the day of the ill fated Charge of the Light Brigade . Saw the 93 d Highlanders paste the Russian's with their 51 Minies which prompted Russells observation about the ' Thin Red streak '(Didn't know he was a Lord).
Alma I believe saw some British troops still with smooth bores and seems unlikley there where many trained with the 1853 Enfield's . However my input is irrelevant to your main point and only serves to show how keenly I follow your input.
Regards Rudyard
 

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Well thiers two ' Enfield rifles' here .The 1851 Minie about a 16 bore then the 1853 smaller 577 bore. Enfield . Brett's aware of this. Which one did the most ruination isn't clear but the day of the ill fated Charge of the Light Brigade . Saw the 93 d Highlanders paste the Russian's with their 51 Minies which prompted Russells observation about the ' Thin Red streak '(Didn't know he was a Lord).
Alma I believe saw some British troops still with smooth bores and seems unlikley there where many trained with the 1853 Enfield's . However my input is irrelevant to your main point and only serves to show how keenly I follow your input.
Regards Rudyard

Brett's excellent book describes it all in great detail - the best read I've ever had on the subject. As you say, the majority of the British arms were of the larger calibre - .602"? - and shot the Metford-Pritchett design with great effect, piling the russians up in tattered heaps.
 

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….. Alma I believe saw some British troops still with smooth bores and seems unlikley there where many trained with the 1853 Enfield's . . . .
As per my earlier post, and to clarify any possible ambiguity, in 1854 the rifle in the hands of British troops in the Crimea was the .702 Pattern 1851 Rifle-musket. The .577 Pattern 1853 ('Enfield') Rifle-musket did not reach the Crimea until 1855.

David
 

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It was volley fire by trained troops, not sniper marksmanship. Have you ever tried to fire a minnie to 1,000 yds. The arc had to be like a rainbow. The US forces were strapped for arms. With many militias using smooth bore muskets even left over flint lock muskets. The transition of dozens of advances in firearms to the various types of cartridges, paper, brass, pin fire, rim fire, teat fire and others. The race for almost any conceivable method for more shots per minute per soldier caused a certain sacrifice for accuracy. Somewhere, I read about troops running low on appropriate ammunition, in which case, they could not afford the luxury of raining lead upon a distant enemy, even if their weapons were capable.

Our Civil War is full of could'a, would'a. should'as, fought with tactics that were generally outdated for the arms used, as ordered by commanders who failed to adapt. .
 

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As per my earlier post, and to clarify any possible ambiguity, in 1854 the rifle in the hands of British troops in the Crimea was the .702 Pattern 1851 Rifle-musket. The .577 Pattern 1853 ('Enfield') Rifle-musket did not reach the Crimea until 1855.

David

Yes. .702cal. A mistake I've often made over the years. Just thinking of a .702cal Pritchett bullet gives me the shibbers.
 

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Yes. .702cal. A mistake I've often made over the years. Just thinking of a .702cal Pritchett bullet gives me the shibbers.
The Metford/Pritchett design was applied to the P.53 ammunition, not the P.51, insofar as I am aware.

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Best not fire a Kammer lader or a 12 bore shotgun prone , One double twelve on Forsythe's principal I once fired 2 ounce ' Shells ' I gave up on that plan but it was pretty well shot out after its years in India .( Even if I hadn't bought it in India you could tell it was out there as between the two key surrounds of silver they put a central silver disk ,sort of a cast mark . But hardly the best place to put extra inlays ). But then I learned not to look for logic in India .' Best 'Sam'l & Chas' Smith it was With double Octagonal Damascus 25 " barrels . I E 16 sided .
Regards Rudyard
 
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