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I have a serious question about the use of the Enfield rifle in the American Civil War.

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I fully intend to ask Brett Gibbons about it, as he has written an excellent book about 'The English Cartridge'. In this book he describes one of the first uses in war of massed rifles against massed infantry, in this case, the British against the Russians at the Battle of Inkerman on 5 November 1854, a full nine and bit years before the Battle of Gettysburg.

As at Gettysburg, the Russian gunners were in the habit of firing a softening-up barrage prior to any attack. At Balaclava, earlier in 1854, Russian gunners trying this tactic were slaughtered as they loaded their cannon by a small group of riflemen from the Rifle Brigade, who picked them off at ranges of around 1000 yards with their spiffy new Enfield rifles. Much chastened by this, the few surviving Russians hitched up their guns and quit the field.

Shortly afterwards, the paradigm shift Battle of Inkerman took place, when Russian infantry, estimated at more than 35,000 strong, were advancing in two long columns up a slight incline in an attempt to take the ridgeline from the British Second Infantry Division, guarding the way to Sevastopol. They were bottlenecked by the topography - the most awful fate of any infantry column that might fall under the purview of opposition armed with superior weaponry. The Russians had the Tula flintlock musket, with a maximum range of about 300 yards with little or no accuracy past 80 -100 yards. The British, with their new Enfield rifles, had already demonstrated to the Russians at Balaclava that individuals a thousand yards away were in great and lethal danger from aimed fire.

The result was predictable, and as awful as you might imagine.

The British, armed with the then-new Enfield rifles musket shooting either a Pritchett or Minié bullet, in initially opened fire at 1200 yards, causing instant wholesale slaughter among the smooth-bore-using Russians, who had no way of responding to the hail of lead. The British carried on shooting all the way down to 300 yards, causing slaughter on an unprecedented scale. All three Russian commanders died during the battle, joined by over 5000 dead Russians and well over 10000 wounded, many of whom must have succumbed to their injuries. One observer noted that the British bullets were passing through two or even three of the Russians before being spent. Lord Russell noted grimly the volleys of the Minié cleft them like the hand of the Destroying Angel, and they fell like leaves before them.'

In my mind's eye, I can see Union troops on top of Cemetery Ridge, opening fire on the massed Confederate soldier of Pickett's Brigade as they left the relative safety of the tree-line, and causing similar level of slaughter all the way up to the foot of the ridge.

Except, they didn't.

As at Inkerman, the Confederates were advancing up an incline, intent on taking the ridge, preceded by artillery. They ought, by rights, to have been utterly annihilated, but were not. I've walked that same bit of ground three times in my life, and I hope to do it again some day. and even then I wondered why the Union did not use their rifled firearms with the same effect as those other soldiers, in another war, against a similarly massed enemy.

Where can I find out why the American infantry of both sides, equipped with similar weapons, did not employ the same tactics? If they had done so at Gettysburg, the doomed charge of Pickett's Brigade would have been wiped off the map less than half-way up the hill, and the Confederate artillery would, in like fashion, have succumbed to accurate long-range shooting - except, there wasn't any.

Why not?
 
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Didn’t they suffer some 60% causulties?
While Crimea was horrific they suffered little lower causulties percentage then the WBTS
Allied forces that attacked Normandy with machine guns field mortars, and breechloaders had about the same causulties as Gettysburg or Waterloo where all three fights had similar numbers. All featured assaults through open killing fields
 

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The point of my question is to ask why the US forces on both sides did NOT employ long-range marksmanship, as was used by the British and French forces to great effect in the Crimean War? Instead, they used the Napoleonic line tactics against men with rifles that who were fully capable of slaughtering them at 800 yards.
 
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Hmmm. It's been a while since I've read about it, but I thought many of Pickett's Brigade were shot down by Standard's Vermonter's that had been recruited weeks earlier for a substantial bounty, and were armed with 69 caliber smoothbore muskets. I think the Vermonter's suffered little or no casualties since they fired into the ends of the confederate line, and the Confederates never wheeled to return the fire, but continued advancing. Certainly plenty of other Union troops were armed with rifles, thus it doesn't fully address the question.
 
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The point of my question is to ask why the US forces on both sides did NOT employ long-range marksmanship, as was used by the British and French forces to great effect in the Crimean War? Instead, they used the Napoleonic line tactics against men with rifles that who were fully capable of slaughtering them at 800 yards.
Crimea was open steep land and rolling hill?
Much of Missouri and Arkansas that’s well forested today was steep and prairie during the war. However much of the fighting took place in eastren woodland. There were not many battlefields east where they could get a good picture at more then three hundred yards, maybe that effected it.
And if shot was falling around a bunch of artillery men you can drive them off with out actually getting hits.
It was said during the war you had to shoot a man’s weight in lead to kill him. I saw a statistic that about seventy thousand shots were fired to get one casualty during the war.
Even by this time few man except the upper middle class and above had corrected vision. From a random company of farmers from Yorkshire or Ohio I doubt you could find more then 2/3 who could aim at a man beyond two hundred yards or see a man beyond five hundred
 

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Thanks for your reply. Basically, it was having walked the same path taken by Pickett's Brigade at Gettysburg a while back - three times, in fact - that got me wondering about the efficacy of the Enfield and Springfield RIFLES in the hands of the Union, and why they didn't or couldn't effect the same slaughter on the Confederate troops across that almost mile of open ground between the tree-line and their own positions on the ridge. I've had a lot of good answers from the guys over on gunboards.com, as well. Basically it comes down to a matter of training and the application of that training and drill. The British and French Armies in the Crimea, nine years earlier, were in professional Armies and were trained riflemen, well-used to shooting at targets nominated by their sergeants, at ranges from 1200 yards down to point-blank. Practice was daily with drill, and probably weekly or at the most, monthly, with live ammunition.

On the British side, soldiers were encouraged to up their pay by demonstrating improved shooting skills - a soldier was not just a soldier, he was a First/Second/Third-Class rifle shooting soldier. More to the point, the British P53 Enfield had adjustable sights, and the soldiers knew how to set them and use them to murderous effect, as at Inkerman. By way of contrast, the French shooting much the same kind of rifle with an almost identical bullet - by Minié - had backsights fixed at 300m, and were taught the hold a different sight-picture for each range.

The two sides in the ACW, as far as I have read, did none of this - many soldiers at Gettysburg - on both sides, had never fired at an enemy before.
 
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I fully intend to ask Brett Gibbons about it, as he has written an excellent book about 'The English Cartridge'. In this book he describes one of the first uses in war of massed rifles against massed infantry, in this case, the British against the Russians at the Battle of Inkerman on 5 November 1854, a full nine and bit years before the Battle of Gettysburg.

As at Gettysburg, the Russian gunners were in the habit of firing a softening-up barrage prior to any attack. At Balaclava, earlier in 1854, Russian gunners trying this tactic were slaughtered as they loaded their cannon by a small group of riflemen from the Rifle Brigade, who picked them off at ranges of around 1000 yards with their spiffy new Enfield rifles. Much chastened by this, the few surviving Russians hitched up their guns and quit the field.

Shortly afterwards, the paradigm shift Battle of Inkerman took place, when Russian infantry, estimated at more than 35,000 strong, were advancing in two long columns up a slight incline in an attempt to take the ridgeline from the British Second Infantry Division, guarding the way to Sevastopol. They were bottlenecked by the topography - the most awful fate of any infantry column that might fall under the purview of opposition armed with superior weaponry. The Russians had the Tula flintlock musket, with a maximum range of about 300 yards with little or no accuracy past 80 -100 yards. The British, with their new Enfield rifles, had already demonstrated to the Russians at Balaclava that individuals a thousand yards away were in great and lethal danger from aimed fire.

The result was predictable, and as awful as you might imagine.

The target used at 1,000 yds in a BPCR event is 6 feet in diameter. At 1,000 yards, which is 200 yards past one half mile away, a person is an extremely small target. In the civil war, snipers at extreme ranges used rifle scopes or just sprayed and prayed. In the heat of battle, ranges are sometimes exaggerated.
 
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French and English had a professional class of soldiers. West Point at that time was turning out about forty a year. Military academies were still more focused on classical learning then up to date military functions.
most officers north and south had little military training and books were more about theory and evolutions on the battlefield then up to date info.
country boys might well know how to shoot, but mostly shot small bore at close range
A German officer who was asked to be an observer in the war and asked what there was to learn from armed mobs fighting.
The really great generals of the war may have only been able to hold their own in battle with the armies of Europe
Sixty years later the allies of the First World War wanted to feed American units in to French and British armies. They didn’t think Americans could do the job based on how they did during WBTS.
The NRA was formed to teach shooting skills to the public since performance during the war was so poor, Sedgwick’s fate not withstanding.
The lack of ability at regimental level and higher May have effected that too
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Fascinating topic, and probably as many plausible answers as there are readers.

The 19th century was dominated economically, socially, militarily, artistically, technologically by the British. The Metropolitan Police were pioneering forensic crime scene investigation in the 1870’s. The Pound Sterling was the world’s reserve currency into the 1940’s.

The British maintained a standing professional army. They were well trained, well disciplined and well equipped. The US did not, relying instead on a small professional “core” around which volunteers and militias would form when required, then mustered out. The British were fielding troops all over the world, and burning plenty of ammunition! The US was rather isolationist and focused on itself.

So to my mind it stands to reason that at that time, US military doctrine simply had not experienced a necessity like the Brits had.
 
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General lack of training in such tactics due to mostly smoothbore use prior to the war. Widespread military use of the rifle was relatively new, hence the slaughter caused by outdated smoothbore tactics against rifle equipped troops. While rifles for 170 years have been sighted out to as far as 2000 yards for massed volley fire I wonder if it was used very much?
 
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The point of my question is to ask why the US forces on both sides did NOT employ long-range marksmanship, as was used by the British and French forces to great effect in the Crimean War? Instead, they used the Napoleonic line tactics against men with rifles that who were fully capable of slaughtering them at 800 yards.

The answer quite simply is because they didn't TRAIN the UnCivil War period Soldiers in Long Range Accuracy and further, few Commanders thought "outside the box" enough to use at least SOME of the advantages of the Rifled Musket in most actions of the war.

However, in the very small Pre-UnCivil War "Regular" U.S. Army, they actually DID commonly train soldiers of all ranks out to 700 yards, especially "in the West," after they received the M1855 Rifle Muskets.

However, once they had to turn many tens of thousands of citizens into soldiers in such short periods, they didn't have time or the long range rifle ranges available to train them.

Now there were SOME actions, almost all in defensive positions, they either used range stakes or identified some natural or man made points to tell how far an enemy was at those points. I would LOVE to tell you some Commanders ordered their soldiers to "flip up" the long range sights on their Springfield Rifle Muskets to shoot more accurately at those longer distances and change back to the lower range sight leaf as they drew nearer, but I haven't yet found a single piece of original documentation they did that.

What is interesting, though, is I did find one UnCivil War period source that told how to tell how far an enemy soldier was by what parts of his body you could clearly distinguish. I gave this information to the Instructors of The Marine Corps Scout Sniper Instructor's School back in the 1980's. One Instructor finally tried it out and informed me he was very surprised how accurate it was in telling the distance of an Enemy Soldier.

Of course after the War, the American NRA was formed and led in large part by UnCivil War Commanders who understood the importance of Marksmanship Training.

We U.S. Marines took it to heart in the early 1900's, after we got the M1903 Springfield Rifle. We actually trained our Marines out to 800 yards AND we paid more money to Marines who shot well. It was an extra four dollars a month for Experts, two dollars a month for Sharpshooters and one dollar a month for Marksmen. May not sound like much, until you realize monthly pay for a Private was still under $20.00 a month. The Marines were "shooting for their BEER money on liberty." With that kind of incentive, Marines began taking Marksmanship EXTREMELY seriously! On the battlefields of WWI, it paid off. French Forces near us were shocked when we opened up at 800 yards and began taking down the Huns at that range in large numbers.

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Was it at the battle of manassas that the confederates used the minnie ball and began shooting at roughly 300 yds while the union used the old tactic of get to 50 yds or so before firing. Union casualties were horrific from the increased effective range from using the minnie ball vs traditional roundball and smoorhbore inaccuracies. Also what was the average distance of battles in the civil war. East coast is very hilly from the appl mtns and woods. 1200 yrds is 3/4 mile field of fire unobstructed. Long ways over here. What was the distance of picketts charge. Many battle sites here in georgia were 300 yds or less unobstructed.
 

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Center of emmittsville rd where the confederates received their first volley to the center of the federal line, wall, is about 200 yds from a quick google search. Ouch. There are other greater distances but they relate more to artillery, 1700 yds etc but that is not what Mr. Foley was asking. Quick step for the infantry was 85 yds a minute. Picketts charge lasted less than 30 minutes. Interesting analytics about thos battle.
 
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hard to believe accurate shots up to 1200 yds made with those rifles with horrible sites. to me history is like a fish story where the fish gets bigger each time the story is told. Imagine what 150 years does to a tale
 

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hard to believe accurate shots up to 1200 yds made with those rifles with horrible sites. to me history is like a fish story where the fish gets bigger each time the story is told. Imagine what 150 years does to a tale

I have to agree with you.
I watched three excellent shooter take on a 1,000 yard target once. these men had won several club shoots but had never shot at a 1,000 yards. The target was on a 4x8 foot piece of plywood. they were shooting modern fire arms on a bench rest and not one of them could even hit the plywood after five shots each?
 

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hard to believe accurate shots up to 1200 yds made with those rifles with horrible sites. to me history is like a fish story where the fish gets bigger each time the story is told. Imagine what 150 years does to a tale

It isnt that difficult to believe if you spend some time actually shooting at extended distances, and not just a couple times then declare it too difficult and dismiss it, as generally happens when discussions of shooting open sighted handguns at longer distances come up.

As it came up elsewhere recently, the difference between fish stories and longer distance shooter stories are, the longer distance shooters can generally repeat the performance on demand without too much difficulty.

I have access to a 2 band Enfield copy, I think a ASM or Euroarms. Ill try it on the 24" 600 yard plate at our shooting spot and see how it does. It may be october before i can, but I'll report back results, good or bad. There are random clumps of brush out to 1200 or so yards, thats all the further Ive shot to, as the 30 cal bullets I was shooting couldnt be reliably seen much past that, they dont kick up enough dirt/dust. The 58 minie will probably be observable though.
 

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I have to agree with you.
I watched three excellent shooter take on a 1,000 yard target once. these men had won several club shoots but had never shot at a 1,000 yards. The target was on a 4x8 foot piece of plywood. they were shooting modern fire arms on a bench rest and not one of them could even hit the plywood after five shots each?
what I think they did is rain 1000's of bullets into the horde of men like hail and a lot of guys would get hit like the way tons of arrows were shot into the air to come down on the victims but I doubt a guy aimed at a guy and hit him at that range
 
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