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One HOPES that even fiction is written in such a manner as to NOT cause knowledgeable people to LOL AT the author.
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Hawken, not Hawkin, not Hawkins
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Didn't mean to take this off topic. I'd have been upset if somebody came back with a .30 and I wanted a .50 -- what a meathead!
I don't think I've ever seen the whole movie (it is SO unwatchable) but remember a scene like that from SOME movie.
I don't think I've ever seen the whole movie (it is SO unwatchable) but remember a scene like that from SOME movie.
Rod L said:
up until the 1850's when caliber began to denote the bore's diameter in inches, caliber/calibre was synonymous with bore/gauge size = calibre was the original French term for bore/gauge.
Thus the confusion by those who did not thoroughly research the term as applied "in period"
As noted by Tenngun, in period a 30 caliber/bore/gauge rifle was at the time equivalent to the 50 caliber desired.
The Hawken shop, while noted for it's mountain rifles, also made rifles for the local trade (and not just for women or children) in the smaller caliber/bores - today known by collectors as Hawken squirrel rifles
galamb
58 Cal.
The brothers were trained in Maryland style and there is a couple of "pre-mountain" style kicking around that look like a Maryland rifle but with the more (recognized) trigger guard (maybe a "transitional Hawken style" if you like).
So no doubt, their father's influence was alive and well (even if he was already dead), at least in the early days of their partnership.
The so called "Hawken Squirrel" rifles have popped up in 36, 38 and 40 caliber (and probably were built even in even smaller calibers as well).
The are most easily recognized by only having 1 barrel key (if half-stock, which was common), but there is at least one surviving full-stock out there in 40 cal).
However, even with the squirrel rifles, not one in flint - so the rock-locker's have to continue their quest for the grail
So no doubt, their father's influence was alive and well (even if he was already dead), at least in the early days of their partnership.
The so called "Hawken Squirrel" rifles have popped up in 36, 38 and 40 caliber (and probably were built even in even smaller calibers as well).
The are most easily recognized by only having 1 barrel key (if half-stock, which was common), but there is at least one surviving full-stock out there in 40 cal).
However, even with the squirrel rifles, not one in flint - so the rock-locker's have to continue their quest for the grail
I don't know when the shift in terms took place, but in 1789 in England, Wm. Cleator wrote:LaBonte said:
*In speaking of the size of the caliber we mean by 22 or 24 that so many balls exactly fitting it weigh just one pound and every caliber is marked in the fame way."
So at that time caliber was still used as we use bore or gauge. In that system, 30 caliber is .5667" or .57 caliber, today.
Spence
Not that it matters much but my roundball computer program says a 30 is a .538 diameter ball.
In any case, it twarnt no small bore gun they were talking about. :grin:
In any case, it twarnt no small bore gun they were talking about. :grin:
galamb
58 Cal.
Well, I'm glad we use caliber now.
Otherwise I would have a 51 bore on my bench (45 cal) that is replacing my 72 or 73 bore (40 cal) as my Bambi rifle.
Otherwise I would have a 51 bore on my bench (45 cal) that is replacing my 72 or 73 bore (40 cal) as my Bambi rifle.
That is it Alden! Turn in your powder! And you call yourself a muzzleloader?!Alden said:
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I did see a photo of Geo Washingtons pistols. The photo called them 32 calibur...they were .54. Eckert in his winning of america books often calls a musket or fusil 'rifle',Redman writing as alexander kent , often writes of the thick black smoke from a ships broadside. Sometimes we just have to shut our eyes for a second then go on...."Silk another 40 yards"
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I know... LOL
They really are awful movies. Could never sit through 'em. I can barely get through the opening credits and the bad music. There was a Heston one too that was unwatchable. I actually owned these on VCR. And whereas you guys probably own the soundtracks on 8-Track I gave 'em away without ever having been able to stomach them (kinda like grits) in their entirety.
They are all SO insultingly bad -- just unwatchable -- sorry.
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