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Just curious how many of you out there have resorted to making your own powder in these hard and expensive times, and if you are making your own, how’s it working out for you?
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The topic was making black powder, not your favorite dirty hobby…Nope. Boiling down urine makes my nose itch.
well this current situation has had no impact on me. i have made my own for over 60 years and can't remember the last time i bought any "store bought" powder.
burned a pound the other day with 2 neighbors. one was using 777. over the chrono we were 50fps apart with the same loadings. his barrel was 32" and mine 28" smoke from mine was more
Can't remember the last time the bread maker exploded.made in one pound batches the worst that can happen is a bad burn. there is no challenge , no more than making bread.
Honestly, don’t make bread. But no issue with those that do, same as with those that make BP. But when I say I use 4F, seems a lot of folks hair spontaneously combusts. Wonder how our buddy @Britsmoothy is doing?made in one pound batches the worst that can happen is a bad burn. there is no challenge , no more than making bread.
I've been thinking about it just haven't had the time or money to start getting the stuffJust curious how many of you out there have resorted to making your own powder in these hard and expensive times, and if you are making your own, how’s it working out for you? I started last year and have pretty much gotten it down to a science through a lot of trial and error. After some testing I have found I can easily make powder that is faster burning than Swiss. Fouling is slightly worse but much better than Goex. Next test will be to get out a chronograph and check muzzle velocity compared to other commercial powders with equal weight loads.
This post is not meant to instruct others on how to make black powder, just a question of how many have begun doing so recently. If this post is in violation of rules (which from what I’ve read, I don’t believe it is) please remove!
can you recommend a formula or method for making it?well this current situation has had no impact on me. i have made my own for over 60 years and can't remember the last time i bought any "store bought" powder.
burned a pound the other day with 2 neighbors. one was using 777. over the chrono we were 50fps apart with the same loadings. his barrel was 32" and mine 28" smoke from mine was more
Utube......cast bullits has a big discussion forum. Best bet....can you recommend a formula or method for making it?
We're not allowed to talk about that on this forum. Go to Cast Boolits for that data.can you recommend a formula or method for making it?
Good to know the facts, thanksI know that there are folks who make this stuff for personal use. They heavily rely on the fact that they are not "engaged in the business of manufacturing explosive materials" because they don't sell, trade, or give it away, and thus are not engaged in "business", BUT they seem to stop short of actually reading ALL that applies.
Here is the law and the adjoining laws that combine...., and here is why this is not discussed here, and why I don't do this at home...
Title 18 USC on black powder making and possession
Title 18, United States Code, Sec. 1102, Chapter 40. Importation, Manufacture, Distribution and Storage of Explosive Materials
§ 841. Definitions
(d) Except for the purposes of subsections (d), (e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j) of section 844 of this title, “explosives” means any chemical compound mixture, or device, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by explosion; the term includes, but is not limited to, dynamite and other high explosives, black powder, pellet powder, initiating explosives, detonators, safety fuses, squibs, detonating cord, igniter cord, and igniters.
(h) “Manufacturer” means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing explosive materials for purposes of sale or distribution or for his own use
§ 842. Unlawful Acts (a) It shall be unlawful for any person—
(1) to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials without a license issued under this chapter;
§845. Exceptions; Relief From Disabilities
(a) Except in the case of subsection (l), (m), (n), or (o) of section 842 and subsections (d), (e), (f), (g), (h), and (i) of section 844 of this title, this chapter shall not apply to:
(5) commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed fifty pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms as defined in section 921(a)(16) of title 18 of the United States Code, or in antique devices as exempted from the term “destructive dev
So NOTE, "manufacture" includes making BP for personal use, even though it is prefaced by the phrase "..., in the business of...". There need not be any transactions for a person to be a "manufacturer" of BP, and BP is considered an "explosive" even though technically it deflagrates instead of detonating. So one needs a license to do this...., even for personal use.
NOTE that the Federal possession exemption is for fifty pound of black powder...commercially manufactured.... black powder. That means made by a licensed manufacture, NOT by a person making the stuff in the basement for personal use.
It is therefore NOT FAR FETCHED, that a Federal judge could easily find a person in violation of §845 above when in possession of a pound or less of home made black powder, and UNTIL somebody actually gets federally charged and taken to court..., we have NO WAY of knowing how a judge is going to rule.
So when people say this is "perfectly legal" they are actually predicting it will be thought as such if dragged into a federal court, but they don't actually KNOW that it's legal. OH and some folks will cite instances when persons have been charged and the charges have later been dropped... well that leaves no record nor does it impact the law and its application. It just means the particular AUSA handling prosecution decided it was not worth the time, at that time...
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Good to know the facts, thanks
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