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1. Nancy Ward of the Cherokee, in 1755 after her husband, Kingfisher was killed at the Battle of Taliwa took up his gun and,singing a war song, led the Cherokee to victory in a route of the enemy. For her bravery she was awarded the title of Ghighua or Beloved Woman
Fun fact, Nancy Ward was my 8th great grandmother.
 

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The next thing ya know rainbow Guidons.....good grief Charlie Brown
 

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Soldiers-absolutly not!!!!,Musicians,absolutly not!!! campfollowers OK.....----But that's just my opinion.
I think alot of groups allow it because they are afraid of getting sued,or just need bodies that badly...........
So I wasn't here in 2005 when this thread started, but here is what happened when the question was brought up many years ago with groups where I am a member...,

A private organization can have rules that say "no women playing soldier". That's because they are private organizations, and a person who joins them agrees to this rule, whether male or female.

Now, I know of one reenactment "umbrella" organization (organizes large events; coordinates with the historic site) that has such a rule.
I know of another "umbrella" organization that allows women to portray male soldiers.
Because five of the twenty privates using muskets in one regiment where I was a member were women, the regiment opted for membership in the second group.

Now where problems arose, were when the umbrella organization that "prohibits women in the ranks" staged a combined event, with other umbrella organizations that don't have the "no-women-in-the-ranks" rule, and then tried to enforce that rule with the other groups, after these groups arrived at the site for the event. That didn't go over very well, and the rule was ignored.

The other problem arose when with historic sites on public (park) property in certain states, and when that organization agreed to stage a reenactment on that property, they unwittingly agreed to the state's regulations that a person could not be restricted in participation due to sex. So although the private group had a rule against women-in-the-ranks..., they could not legally enforce it in several public historic locations. It only became an issue when a person who volunteered at one such historic site, and was not part of any of the units in the umbrella group, raised the question of whether or not the state could permit the umbrella group to even use the site..., as the state had regulations against allowing an event staged by a group that "discriminated" against people.

So, often one finds an event on land that isn't subject to such regulations. Or the rules are relaxed for that event.

I often wonder, if one objects to women in the ranks, because it "interfere's with historic portrayal", then how do such organizations deal with male Asian reenactors, or male African-American reenactors, who cannot be documented as having been part of a unit during the AWI? Do they exclude folks by ethnicity too ?

This year, for example, I've heard of one group (of which I'm not a member), that repeatedly has chosen not to allow their overall commander to be a certain African-American male, " Because there were no Colonels nor Generals who were black during the AWI." I am acquainted with him and see no reason to exclude his being "in command". While yes it's true that historically there were no African-American officers as overall commanders, this is the 21st century and I think it could be overlooked...heck most of us are too fat and too old to really have been AWI soldiers, but they don't stop us from playing.

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Frankly, if they blend in as soldiers, who cares. I was never a member of a group that cared what underwear was under the uniform. It aint real anyway. Maybe I was indoctrinated for this in college. My college rifle team was the only coed intercollegiate sport team on campus. We shot against other coed teams from other colleges Bucknell, U of Delaware, and a few teams from all men's schools, like Lehigh University was at the time. Frankly, as good as my team was, we always lost to the Penn State women's team..
 
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We have women soldiers in the ranks of my civil war unit very good soldiers, one of them is a Sgt. does a outstanding job. I would not get my panties in a knot with this issue what ever time period you refer too. Times are a changing fellas, the other thing is with the current erase history issues in this country the women bring knowledge and are excellent teachers on subjects questioned bye the spectators, they are forthright in their representations, Be glad that the fairer sex shows interest in the history of our country.
 

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Our history belongs to all Americans. My ancestors were here before the ARW. There are folk who moved here in just the last few years. Together we own the same history.
I had a friend who was Italian. He dressed as a Scot who fled Scotland after Cullodin and moved to French Canada. He served as a scout for the French military.
All his ancestors of the time were Italian peasants, but now in America this Italian was very knowledgeable of Scotish and French colonial life.
So a girl shows up at an event. The only thing we need to think about is; is her uniform correct, is she knowledgeable about the war and the life of a soldier, can she preform the evolutions needed.
I’m an old sailing ship nerd. I recall seeing an interview with the first officer of USS Constitution who was dressed in an 1812 naval uniform and she looked very nice. She was also very knowledgeable about life on a sailing ship.
History doesn’t care about your gender.
 

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N-SSA allows women as team members at all of the skirmishes. Many lady soldiers are better shots than many men, making the teams more efficient during live fire competition.
The bearded males at Rondyvous are wearing kilts. :) Don't you dare call it a skirt.
 

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Military have to be very strict. Uniform issues in a very narrow time frame. Rondies often less as family events, longer time period and less strict about equipment. AMM ‘voo greater time then most wars but try to be strict.
I’m thinking folks met Juliet, Lady MacBeth, Ophelia as young teen boys. Girls didn’t start the parts till two centuries after written. I think Burton played Othelo.
I know Bryner played pharaoh ( one of my favorite movies) and the King of Siam. Heston would play a Jew twice. And who could play a Mexican bandito better then Eli Wallach?
And we can’t forget David Carradine as a Shio Lin priest.
No matter how nerdy we get, no matter how much we want to create a perfect impression of an eighteenth or nineteenth century person we are just play acting. It’s all just Dungeons and Dragons writ large.
We want to be serious, we want to get it right, but we’re just roll playing.
 

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I would do F&I, French Marine artillery Jacobite , Napolionic, Rev war, (Mutiny!) , 1812, Fur trade , Indian camp, & Pensic SCA .Plus fought ' twice on Blennerhassett Island as' Displaced river boat engineer' for the Confederacy( less kit to gather ) .
Any romp going I'me into it or was we do very little of it in NZ where I do Nelson 1843 Militia .or Victorian Volunteer Rifleman of the 1860s .But I did portray a Turk at the WW1 Gallipoli event being too bearded & old to pass as a British soldier Takes two to Tango ! .Played Abel Tassmon,, Rob Roy Cattle dealer ? & 'Mustaffa Leek ' (Used flying carpet dealer ). But had to give up my' Ben Gunn' portrayal too much make up !! (if youle believe anything . !.)
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This is a White man's problem. We poor dumb Sauvages welcome our women who want to fight.My daughter in law does very well with my English fowler which weighs 7 1/2 lbs.and we have a Cherokee sister who has fought with us at Ft. Toulousse.

Perhaps some of you have forgotten Jeanne d'Arc or Molly Pitcher? There were approximately 400 women who served in the Civil War including one Confederate officer whose sex was not discovered until she gave birth in a Federal prison.

Tom Patton :m2c:
Some one must have discovered her sex
 

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Ok well we're at it, lets go back and rewrite the history books to put women on the battlefield in numbers and blacks as officers. Its the right thing to do.

And while we're at it, lets get rid of the pesky memorials and statues that remind people of the wrong thing.
 

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One has an interest in history. And this person is drawn to an aspect of the past. Long hunting, being a soldier, or a seaman, or most anything from the past. Learns as much as available to be learned, and more so. And this person wants to reinact. Should that person be stopped because of skin tone or genitalia?
Is that the same as rewriting history or tearing down statues?
Most of us are older and fatter then the people we portray. Our history belongs to us all.
 

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One has an interest in history. And this person is drawn to an aspect of the past. Long hunting, being a soldier, or a seaman, or most anything from the past. Learns as much as available to be learned, and more so. And this person wants to reinact. Should that person be stopped because of skin tone or genitalia?
Is that the same as rewriting history or tearing down statues?
Most of us are older and fatter then the people we portray. Our history belongs to us all.
When one is putting on a presentation to be watched by others and taken as an accurate portrayal, yes.

Not as a demonstration and only privy to the people involved, with no observers, a "private party" if you will, sure let everybody play.

Otherwise you are creating the same false impression as revise history books and the destruction of historical monuments.

There were old soldiers and overweight soldiers, there were no sanctioned female soldiers and no black officers. This isn't racism or misogyny, its just plain fact.

I read people here go into discussions in length about a particular accoutrement or a particularly appointed firearm not being historically or period correct, and therefore should not be present at rendezvous, etc, and many times they are not allowed at such events.

Same discussion here, only more obvious. PC (politically correct) should not trump PC (period correct) or HC (historically correct).

The idea of reenacting, I thought, was to keep history alive as accurately as possible. We should throw that out the window, because its "not fair"?
 
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I am all for accurate depictions of history. If there is a confederate female who fought in the U.S. Civil War and was discovered to be female when delivering a child then let someone faithfully play the part, factually, of that person. But don't then generalize to an acceptance of ANY woman being part of the resistance. If we are to be historians, the let us be historians, not hysterians. If someone plays that part, them l let them play that part ACCURATELY. I don't reject the involvement of an female or black in the participation in our history. But for histories sake, let's at least keep it Accurate
 

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