Goex (again 😀 )

[BadDaditood]

I hear your concerns about Goex and I want to reassure everybody that we absolutely support black powder shooting. This community is very important to us. I became a N-SSA member and will be shooting at the spring nationals (smoothbore and carbine company matches, 46th Illinois).

Yes, the military has been an important part of getting us up and running, but they're not our only customer. We're getting ready to restart production and can't wait to get black powder back on shelf this summer at distributors and dealers.

Karl, CEO of Goex and Estes Energetics

Karl, thank you for reading and posting here!
I can guarantee Everyone on this forum will be buying your powder if it is a nickel cheaper than the imports.
Competition shooters will still use Swiss for another year or so until a Premium product like OE comes back.
Sure, some old timers will stay with Swiss- until they get beat by guys using that “cheap American powder”

 

[Stantheman86]

Well......we got an answer from the CEO himself. I don't know what more anyone else can add

I'm looking forward to burning metric tons of Goex through my revolvers this summer Karl

 

[SlidePicker]

Well, maybe, but a rail car full of BP would leave a REALLY big crater, and methinks the shock wave from that would be highly incompatible with life in the surrounding area.

I remember when I was in first grade in Livingston, Alabama, out on the playground, hearing a dynamite truck explode about 7 miles away in York. Then, when I was in med school in Birmingham, hearing a Hercules dynamite plant explode in Bessemer, a little farther away.

 

[Blitz]

Now that is.... it was Scheutzen when I bought some several years ago, then it was made by GOEX, until GOEX shut down. Now it's back to being made by Scheutzen.




SO for the folks, not just @bprvan and @dave951 alone, who bust on GOEX for not "donating" powder to local youth groups, do you now or do you plan on the same reaction to anything made by Hodgdon or ammo using Hodgdon powder? I have read Hodgdon's guidelines for such donations, and most of the folks that have complained about GOEX in the past have no problem with Pyrodex, or any of the modern Hodgdon products.... and the local youth groups wouldn't get a donation there either....

LD

Sad but true. I have not, as yet used their products and maybe not.
When a pack of dogs or whatever is after you it is only prudent to go after the named one causing the problem.


Buzz

 

[Blitz]

Well said.

How will these companies know how we feel if no one lets them know. Competition is usually good, we can vote with our feet(money).

Buzz

 

[Blitz]

I sincerely hope you are correct. I hope Estes brings a truly world class powder to the market and is wildly successful. I just could not wait any longer for the new Goex to come fruition.

I heartily agree, I think many of us hope they can also be supportive of the shooters and the sport and not just a Wall st. company like so many.

Buzz

 

[Blackpowder77]

Goex never supported the sport or the small mom and pop shops, Schuetzen has made the sport, the youth, and small shops there main focus, and SCHUETZEN is an American based company located in Arlington Texas.

 

[david w]

Goex never supported the sport or the small mom and pop shops, Schuetzen has made the sport, the youth, and small shops there main focus, and SCHUETZEN is an American based company located in Arlington Texas.

Goex is now owned by a new company. Why not wait until we see what they do and not start casting aspersions? Even so, the military will be most of their focus, from what I understand, not civilian.

 

[brewyak]

Graf and sons has Graf's black powder. Anyone familiar with it? Who make it?

Graf and Sons is repackaged Scheutzen

 

[Ranch 13]

Goex never supported the sport or the small mom and pop shops, Schuetzen has made the sport, the youth, and small shops there main focus, and SCHUETZEN is an American based company located in Arlington Texas.

Back before Mick died and Goex was sold to Hogdon they supported the sports heavily. Hogdon had different ideas I guess. Now that Goex is under the ownership of Estes, home office in Florence Colorado, I'ld say lets not bash what may have happened in the past before we see the future.
Even without what some might call "support" Goex is still the only American made powder and used by a lot of shooters that win or place well in many matches across the country.
Schuetzen Energetics is based in Arlington Tx, but they are mostly just the importer for the German company that makes Schuetzen and Swiss powders.

 

[SDSmlf]

Why all the hate and lack of love towards a new owner and manufacturer of Goex Black Powder before they ship their first pound of powder because of what the previous owner, Hodgdon, is accused of doing or not doing? Personally, was never a super fan of the Hodgdon Goex, but bought quite a few pounds of it from most LGSs when they had it on shelf over the years after they took over from DuPont. Where is the hate towards Hodgdon’s other products if they are so evil, like 777, Pyrodex and all their smokeless offerings? They haven’t sold off those product lines…..

Always amazed how a niche market will eat it’s young while complaining those trying to service it or enter the market aren’t supporting them, then are shocked and stupefied when a supplier abandons them.

Guess one gets what they ask for and deserve.

 

[Kmcmichael]

I remember when I was in first grade in Livingston, Alabama, out on the playground, hearing a dynamite truck explode about 7 miles away in York. Then, when I was in med school in Birmingham, hearing a Hercules dynamite plant explode in Bessemer, a little farther away.

I don’t know exactly what was in it but I felt a truck bomb go off in Baghdad. I was impressed.

 

[Gordoncourtney]

It's definitely coming back, just a matter of timing. The Dept. of Defense deemed domestic 'production of propellants' to be a critical national resource, and last summer they invested millions into Estes to get it up and running again.

Goex is absolutely coming.

Something the article below said was new to me...that the shutdown was because of some sort of accident, and not because Hodgson simply decided to shut it down for business reasons.

Defense Department Invests to Re-Establish Domestic Production of Critical Propellant

The Department of Defense’s Industrial Base Support office, through the Defense Production Act Title III authority, is supporting a Louisiana facility that produces black powder, a widely used

www.defense.gov

Sentry44

My gunny mate said, they use BP. In modern shells to help ignition, perhaps the Ukrane war has caused a BP shortage. True or false ??????

 

[painter]

My gunny mate said, they use BP. In modern shells to help ignition, perhaps the Ukrane war has caused a BP shortage. True or false ??????

I would say that's true, as the US is reported to have sent much of our stockpile of artillery shells to the Ukraine, about a million rounds, and we're buying from S. Korea who won't sell directly to the Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/world/europe/ukraine-eu-shells-ammunition.html#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20has%20already,to%20sell%20directly%20to%20Ukraine.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

Be happy to support them, but they're movin' too slow. Summer is coming and I am running low on powder. Ten pounds of Swiss is in Missouri this morning and should be arriving on Monday... or hopefully Saturday. I plan to stay home so I can sign my name and take possession.

 

[kkulling]

Karl, any Chinese investors involved.

No, 100% US Citizen ownership.

 

[longcruise]

I thought when I made the original post on this topic that it would be greeted as good news.

A club i belong to locally has advised that Goex may ship in about 3. Weeks.

That's all I know.

It's amazing how social media can turn good news into a massive gripe session!

 

[mjpchief]

I thought when I made the original post on this topic that it would be greeted as good news.



It's amazing how social media can turn good news into a massive gripe session!

Usually doesn’t take over 4-5 posts til someone starts an argument.

 

[springfield art]

Why I am all in on Swiss. Down the road, who knows how well the next iteration of Goex will work out. I still have cans of DuPont and other older powders I hold on to just to compare to any current powders or old published performance data.

If you want something real dirty, try some old Elephant powder. Believe they left the bark on the trees and tossed the root ball with all the dirt and rocks attached into the wood chipper when they were making their ‘proprietary’ charcoal for their powder mix.

Just make sure you shoot it all up before "checking out"!

 

[Rebel bull]

just because clubs give away swiss powder etc., does not mean they have been given it for free. Out club still pays shipping and hazmat, and sometimes we only get it at cost.

also lets not forget the fact that without a fair robust completive market to control the price we are stuck with "what ever the market will bare"