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In Germany where salute guns, cannons and thunder mugs are more prevalent, they have several ways to ignite them that are not seen here. They normally use musket caps, rarely fuses. However, they often use a small spring loaded trigger with a pin that pulls out to permit the hammer to fall on the musket capped nipple. Another they use, is an electric musket cap that is ignited by a remote switch connected by wires to the cannon. There is more safety in being able to control when the cannon goes off than using a fuse.

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In Germany where salute guns, cannons and thunder mugs are more prevalent, they have several ways to ignite them that are not seen here. They normally use musket caps, rarely fuses. However, they often use a small spring loaded trigger with a pin that pulls out to permit the hammer to fall on the musket capped nipple. Another they use, is an electric musket cap that is ignited by a remote switch connected by wires to the cannon. There is more safety in being able to control when the cannon goes off than using a fuse.

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I like the caplock setup!
 

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I cannot say how many times a fuse has burned, smoldered, and quit. On any cannon that is a dangerous problem. With no projectile loaded it is only less dangerous. I give it a good long time, 30 minutes or more, if it's on the shore I pitch it overboard. Otherwise I pour water in it to flush it out. Never with body parts anywhere near the bore opening.

I like the pin activated spring loaded cap strike! I will be making one of those.

The electric igniter is very good and I should try model rocket electric igniters s as they are quite small.
 

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If you ever examined the ignition hammer system on a typical green pineapple grenade, it is very similar. Another mechanism used is similar to one of those trip wire blank cartridge alarms marketed to preppers.

BTW, Davey Boy, the German company that makes those pull pin cap lock triggers gets 68 Euros a piece. I think that is around $75 for what should be about $10. Might be a part time business in those for you.
 

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If you ever examined the ignition hammer system on a typical green pineapple grenade, it is very similar. Another mechanism used is similar to one of those trip wire blank cartridge alarms marketed to preppers.

BTW, Davey Boy, the German company that makes those pull pin cap lock triggers gets 68 Euros a piece. I think that is around $75 for what should be about $10. Might be a part time business in those for you.
By the time I made it, my costs and time would be prohibitive to be selling even to offset costs. What I can do is make sub assemblies with the equipment I have that most people do not. The fiddling parts that can be bought or made easily are a great learning experience for those enjoying the work. So if someone here wants a part to a gizmo they can always PM me and if I can help, so far as I can without injury to myself, then I may.

I hope we can get some more close up pictures of igniters, I love it
 

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In Germany where salute guns, cannons and thunder mugs are more prevalent, they have several ways to ignite them that are not seen here. They normally use musket caps, rarely fuses. However, they often use a small spring loaded trigger with a pin that pulls out to permit the hammer to fall on the musket capped nipple. Another they use, is an electric musket cap that is ignited by a remote switch connected by wires to the cannon. There is more safety in being able to control when the cannon goes off than using a fuse.

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We can't. "manufactured before 1898 or a replica thereof" They used fuse and touch holes.

BATFe will visit if one uses otherwise such as a caplock, electronic etc.
 

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Interesting. I would like to see some written authority for that. Salute guns in both the US and Europe were using cap lock ignition since the mid 19th century., Even Dixie sells or sold an inertia cap lock mechanism so a cannon could be ignited with a pull string. There were flintlock ignitions in the 1700's for explosive mines as well as artillery. Please show me a written authority for BATF's involvement.
 

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Interesting. I would like to see some written authority for that. Salute guns in both the US and Europe were using cap lock ignition since the mid 19th century., Even Dixie sells or sold an inertia cap lock mechanism so a cannon could be ignited with a pull string. There were flintlock ignitions in the 1700's for explosive mines as well as artillery. Please show me a written authority for BATF's involvement.
Look it up, I don't have time right now to locate and post it (2 active farms 4 properties, very sorry too busy). Do what you wish. OK with me. Just remember the "ORIGINAL or REPLICA thereof, pre 1898 part. Convert a Civil war cannon to caplock or whatever and meet Bubba,
 

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Look it up, I don't have time right now to locate and post it (2 active farms 4 properties, very sorry too busy). Do what you wish. OK with me. Just remember the "ORIGINAL or REPLICA thereof, pre 1898 part. Convert a Civil war cannon to caplock or whatever and meet Bubba,
Typical snipe and run with bogus info. It is a muzzle loader. Do you think electric fired in-lines (CVA Electra) are pre 1898 replicas?

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ALL of these are from the 19th century, some before the civil war. Proof that you don't know what you are spouting.
 

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Are you saying you load the powder loose in the barrel?
 

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Are you saying you load the powder loose in the barrel?
The gun kit normally used bag, and shooters do today. But of old gun did have a spoon. Loose powder was loaded with the bottom down, then turned over when the loader hit the breech. When the wad was run down the rammer tapper it hard compressing it.
They scooped right out of a keg😳.
Umph
I don’t think it would pass safety rules today.
 

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The cap kickers shown are inspirational.

I would like to combine the pin release as a safety device. When ready to fire I just know I would trip over the string.

So the sequence would be pin the hammer, string warped, load, layout string, final aim, place cap, release the pin, yank string

I think scale to look good on the cannon and still be functionable, I like to work in brass, and make one to try.
 

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I use fuze on my 5.8in bore/24 pound mortar, and on my cannons 1.25/1,5in bore, and i do live fire demo's.
am looking at converting my half scale to flintlock.

The public love watching the fuze burn down, if every think is done right no miss fire.
I brought 600 ft of fuze 5 years ago and still have about 400ft, keep in packed in rice it stays dry.
 
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