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Sicilian Hunter,

I wanted to go further into detail about the "Turnscrew" or what we call a screwdriver.

Since you are heavily into documentation, I have to state the following is only informed speculation, but it is from studying and collecting 18th century Gunsmith and other Hand Tools, having replicated some of those tools, as well as working on original and modern repro 18th and 19th century locks.

We know most Colonial Riflesmiths (Gunsmiths who made Rifles and those who also rifled smooth barrels) bought most, if not all their locks from Germany, Great Britain and perhaps some other Continental countries. That is well documented. However, it seems those locks were not supplied with Side Lock "Nails" (we call them screws nowadays) and the Lock Plates did not come drilled and tapped for those screws. So the Riflesmiths either made or bought those Side Lock Screws separately, when they built the rifles. We also know and can well document that Riflesmiths supplied a Ball Mold with each rifle they built, that correctly fit the bore size. What I have not been able to document is whether the Riflesmith also supplied a Turnscrew with a rifle he built, but to me that seems so natural during the period when there were no interchangeable parts, that the Riflesmith would also have supplied the Turnscrew to properly fit and tighten/loosen the Top Jaw Screw and Side Lock Screws.

During the period, almost every Turnscrew was made with a tapered blade. Screw slots during the period might have been V shaped or somewhat close to being parallel sided if cut by a handy person with a hack saw. Large Military Contractors in England and/or the French government Armories MAY have used round saws to make the screw slots parallel sided, but that was very uncommon for the standard "civilian" arms trade.

This is pure conjecture on my part, but I think a good Riflesmith would have cut the screw slots on the Side Lock Screws and Top Jaw Screw so the one blade Turnscrew provided would fit both types of screw slots.

However, that is not the way it commonly is on modern repro locks and the slots in the Side Lock Screws and Top Jaw Screws are usually different size and parallel sided. Of course one could modify the slots so both were the same size and then modify a period correct Turnscrew to fit both.

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Interesting how the two on the right are slotted (for a patch?) and they all have a threaded post suggesting a rammer with a threaded ferrel built in

Probably slotted for a hank of tow to be tied on.

Yes, they are all threaded, but that doesn't mean these were all for ramrods or Iron/Steel Rammers used with some arms. These all could have been used with "Artificer" or Gunsmith made cleaning rods that were used in making or cleaning the arms there and not for common civilian use.

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For what it is worth, a retired builder friend typically slotted both the lock plate and jaw screws to match a #2 screwdriver because as he put it, "thats what most shooters will grab anyway".
 

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However, that is not the way it commonly is on modern repro locks and the slots in the Side Lock Screws and Top Jaw Screws are usually different size and parallel sided. Of course one could modify the slots so both were the same size and then modify a period correct Turnscrew to fit both.
Funny that you mention it, as I have a friend who being retired and having no offspring, obtains a new flintlock at a minimum on an annual basis. IF he hasn't ordered the lock on his flinter with V notched screws, and/or buys one used or premade, the first thing he does is apply a special file to the slot for the jaw screw to change it to a V from a └┘ shaped slot. I asked him why not have a "gun screw driver blade" and he explained that they tend to be very thin and unless made from very strong steel, they would not harden to the point of taking the torque needed to really hold the flint..., and using a V shaped driver tip on the modern slot would merely booger (his term) the top edge of the slot in many cases.

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Hi S.H.,

UNLESS you are portraying a New Englander who took part in or received French Arms from taking Fortress Louisbourg in 1745 or 1758, you can pretty much forget "military combination tools, tow worms, turn screws, and ball pullers" for Muskets with Steel Rammers. This because the Colonial Militia used Wood Ramrod Muskets for this period almost exclusively. You can also forget the British "Y" or Triangular Shaped Musket Tools for the same reason.

Since I don't study French Arms that much, I can't help you with accoutrements for those arms. Maybe someone else can.

For more info on Military/Militia Accoutrements, I suggest opening the Slide Shows in this link:
https://materialculture18t.wixsite.com/18thcmcrc/arms--accoutrements-accoutrements

Gus

the site that you put up is great.!! I have put it in my favorites!!.
 
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So the original owner is documented from 1780 -1842, and alas at least one of the items on that accessory display, the two tined fork, is 19th century, if my information on cutlery is accurate...

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So you are saying that we have a gun and gear that is most likely from post-1780 in a topic reply in the French and Indian War (1754 to 1763) section, in response to a topic from 2019?

Check out David Cooke's pouch and its contents.


Hmm 😒
How unusual....
 
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A 1 tined fork is called a poker not a fork a two tinned fork became a fork a three tined fork is the latter fork. Or am I confused?

Hi Moose,

Colonial Williamsburg has a Fine Silver 3 tine fork that dates to 1740 and a similar one with 4 tines dated to 1760. However, that was only for the very rich.

If a middle class household had any forks at all for most of the 18th century and first quarter of the 19th century, they were almost certainly 2 tined forks.

Actually the probate inventories of many 18th century homes showed NO forks and sometimes NO spoons for the lower classes. This because they only counted spoons for the inventory made of metal like pewter or copper. If the house hold's spoons were made of wood, as many were, they didn't list them as they considered them not worth it.

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I am targeting a period roughly from the end of the F&I War to the time just before the Rev War for accouterments for weapons of a military or militia issue and whatever civilians might have used for musket or rifle.
They would include military combination tools, tow worms, turn screws, ball pullers, pliers and bag molds from roughly 1750-1775.
Pictures and documentation to back them up is what I am looking for.
Additionally, links to archaeological findings would be a jack pot!!
Google searches have revealed little, or at least they way I am wording my searches has.
Any info would be helpful.

Thanks
In March 1737, notary Charles René Gaudron de Chèvremont made the post-mortem inventory of Joseph Desjourdy de Cabanac, a lieutenant in the Cies. Franches de la Marine. What is interesting in this document is that notary describes his usual wardrobe including his military dress, etc... in his bedroom. He then goes to a smaller room, where Desjourdy seems to have stored his campaign or travelling kit, which contain: One pair of leggings (mitasses) One pair of moccasins (souliers sauvages) A piece of blue cloth (probably a breechclout) An old pair of mittens
One pair of socks (chaussons, probably blanket socks to wear in the moccasins) One tumpline of hemp. A tall Thiollières gun with its silver thumb piece "porte pouce" and its old gun case. One cavalry pistol (pistollet d'arçon) and one pocket pistol. A hunting powder horn full of powder. A powder-flask.
Two bags in which there is two pounds of shot.
Source: FrontierFolk.net - Colonial Nouvelle France/New France - Campaign kit of a French officer, 1737, Posted by Francis Back 2-18-11

See "The French Trade Gun in N. Am," by Kevin Gladysz p. 115-116 for a similar Thiollières gun.
 
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In March 1737, notary Charles René Gaudron de Chèvremont made the post-mortem inventory of Joseph Desjourdy de Cabanac, a lieutenant in the Cies. Franches de la Marine. What is interesting in this document is that notary describes his usual wardrobe including his military dress, etc... in his bedroom. He then goes to a smaller room, where Desjourdy seems to have stored his campaign or travelling kit, which contain: One pair of leggings (mitasses) One pair of moccasins (souliers sauvages) A piece of blue cloth (probably a breechclout) An old pair of mittens
One pair of socks (chaussons, probably blanket socks to wear in the moccasins) One tumpline of hemp. A tall Thiollières gun with its silver thumb piece "porte pouce" and its old gun case. One cavalry pistol (pistollet d'arçon) and one pocket pistol. A hunting powder horn full of powder. A powder-flask.
Two bags in which there is two pounds of shot.
Source: FrontierFolk.net - Colonial Nouvelle France/New France - Campaign kit of a French officer, 1737, Posted by Francis Back 2-18-11

See "The French Trade Gun in N. Am," by Kevin Gladysz p. 115-116 for a similar Thiollières gun.
The topic is from 2019.....
The o.p. @Sicilian Hunter doesn't come around a lot, every now and then, and doesn't post much if at all anymore. But I will let him know of your reply.
 

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In March 1737, notary Charles René Gaudron de Chèvremont made the post-mortem inventory of Joseph Desjourdy de Cabanac, a lieutenant in the Cies. Franches de la Marine. What is interesting in this document is that notary describes his usual wardrobe including his military dress, etc... in his bedroom. He then goes to a smaller room, where Desjourdy seems to have stored his campaign or travelling kit, which contain: One pair of leggings (mitasses) One pair of moccasins (souliers sauvages) A piece of blue cloth (probably a breechclout) An old pair of mittens
One pair of socks (chaussons, probably blanket socks to wear in the moccasins) One tumpline of hemp. A tall Thiollières gun with its silver thumb piece "porte pouce" and its old gun case. One cavalry pistol (pistollet d'arçon) and one pocket pistol. A hunting powder horn full of powder. A powder-flask.
Two bags in which there is two pounds of shot.
Source: FrontierFolk.net - Colonial Nouvelle France/New France - Campaign kit of a French officer, 1737, Posted by Francis Back 2-18-11

See "The French Trade Gun in N. Am," by Kevin Gladysz p. 115-116 for a similar Thiollières gun.
Belleville,
Thank you so much for your detailed and diligent response!!
I appreciate your efforts to provide accurate information for me!!
I salute you!!
Since this post, I (as all of who take this Craft seriously) have been on journey and one I hope will not end for me!!
I’ve been in search of my place in this Lifestyle, painstakingly developing who I am.
Presently, I have moved more in the direction of the latter part of the 18th Century and somewhat away from even the immediate post F&I period.
Is F&I era your desired period?
 
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