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  1. Sep 30, 2018 #81

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    Lincoln did not declare war on the seceded states. As far as Lincoln was concerned, the Confederate States of America was not a separate nation at war but a section of the indivisible United States of America in rebellion.
     
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    The people had voted for their state governments. All the states were organized in democratic principles. No,there was not universal manhood suffrage and no female adulthood suffrage. However the democratic principles were normal for all the states at that time.
    We could make the same argument for the colonies in 1776, or Texas in 1836, and infact for France in1789,or all of Latin America, Cuba in 59(?), ect. A greater proportion of the population was represented in direct and indirect then in any other democratic society of its size in the world at the time.
    And the war would have never happened if Lincoln had not called out state regiments to march on other states.
     
  3. Sep 30, 2018 #83

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    Never wrote or meant Lincoln did declare War and part of that was also for other reasons, one of the main ones was so the South could not be officially recognized internationally.

    One thing I do give Lincoln credit for, even though his treacherous act started the War, was I do believe he would have kept the worst of the Reconstruction Era policies off the South, had he not been assassinated.

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    Yup, the second worse thing that happened to the south was the assisanation of Lincoln.
     
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    But, No one had voted their representatives into office with the expressed desire of making war....Not the common people anyway.
     
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    Nor did any one vote in the north to make war on the south, but in both cases people showed their support. Neither side had much of a recruiting problem at the onset of the war. The south hit close to the maximum force it could muster. Drafts were used on both sides but that was after the massive death tolls.
    However there was also no election to withdraw from GB, nor was there a popular vote to enter First World War. Infact Wilson ran on “kept us out of War”. On dec 6th 1941 the majority of Americans wanted to stay out of the war, those people didn’t vote to go to war either...except in how fast the military filled up.
    Wars that are not popular are reflected in empty recruiting center.... witness Vietnam, or “Hessions”.
     
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    That choice was negated because the Union was attacked by the Rebels. We had to defend the Union.....After all we were Americans....We could not let a bunch of rebels undo what our forefathers fought for and died for.... America could not fall back into a monarchy or something far more perverse.
     
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    Lincoln forced the war. The south had no desire to invade the north or effect the north in any way. They only wanted to be left alone. The south represented zero threat to the north. The southern war cry at First Manasess ( Bull Run) was ”˜Go Home!’ The south represented no more threat to the north then the colonies did to Britain.
    The ”˜bunch of rebels’ was a third of the population, who only wished self determination.
     
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    Do you ever get the feeling we should attack an easier problem to resolve like unified field theory or warp field development or harnessing dark energy?.... you know something easier :wink:
     
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    Even the best load for a . 50 deer rifle :haha:
     
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    Sure, I like the Alcubierre warp drive....and dark energy. :grin:
     
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    :grin:
     
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    :dead: :dead:
     
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    Here's something for everyone to enjoy...

    https://youtu.be/ZmxfJqxwVIs
     
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    Seen that before was very good. It is neat because books can only concentrate on one theater at a time. That same group of animators have done several wars.
     

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