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    NW Territory Woodsman

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    During the RMFT (1830s) were the cloth drop front pants typicaly broadfall or narrow fall? I know cloth was not as common for pants with the mountain men, but some made it out west.
     
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    You'd need to back this statement with evidence....
    Cloth articles are rather common in trade lists.

    http://www.mman.us/tradeclothing.htm
    25 pairs Duck Trousers
    18 pairs Russia Sheeting Trousers
    22 pairs Corduroy Trousers


     
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    NW Territory Woodsman

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    I understand that cloth trousers were trade items, but AJ Miller shows mostly buckskin trousers on the mountain men themselves.
     
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    Ok - AJ Miller shows buckskin trousers. Is this representative for ALL or a small subset the artist happened to sketch? How do you know they aren't leggings which are/can be worn over cloth pantaloons or breeches (I wear them this way).
    Trade lists of items available at Forts & Trading posts tell us what was actually available.

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    Karl Bodmer’s painting of Prince Maximilian (1833-34) visiting the Minetarees at Fort Clark
    https://www.manuellisaparty.com/articles/docs/HATS_files/image025.jpg
     
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    Keep in mind Miller was painting for an audience. No one wanted to see paintings of guys dressed like the farmer or warehouse worker you could see everywhere. So he concentrated on buckskinclad.
    Cloth trousers were a popular trade item.
    Narrow fall was going out of style about the time of the Mountain Men. Broad fall was comming into style. Toward the end of the MM time side button trousers came into fashion, similar to ‘girls pants’ of the 1950s.
    Paintings by calab Brigham of trappers and boatmen done shortly after the MM period and Kurtz at the same time show plenty of cloth.
     
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    The pants I have are the Broadfall trousers from Townsends. The link i posted didn't work so you'll just have to google it.

    Would those be appropriate of the time period of the latter part of the RMFT?
     
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    The Townsend broadfalls are 1830ish up till 1850s when fly started comming back in style. They fit looser as was instyle more for working men. Match with a waist length vest with a short v at the neck and waist lenghh coat and it’s a working mans outfit. My bet is more Mountain men dressed that way then skins, but one can only guess that based on what was sold not what was painted.
     
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    Thank you, Tenngun:)
     

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