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While I'll agree that the laws, especially bear, are complex in Colorado, Mustang 65 your statement is not really the truth. Muzzleloader and archery bear tags are only available as draw licenses (same as deer and elk), and have been that way for many years. So you can actually hunt only bear with a muzzleloader (or archery or rifle), without a deer or elk license, you just need to apply for them in the draw in April (see pages 63 & 64 in the 2022 big game brochure). However, CPW is attempting to make it easier to get a bear tag in some units and in those units you can purchase an over-the-counter (OTC) bear license (muzzleloader, archery or rifle) but only if you have a deer or elk that overlaps by unit and method of take (page 66 in the 2022 big game brochure). It's true...it does complicate things, but it's meant to increase opportunity for some areas and keeps the crowding issue down for other units. I hope this helps...
Thanks for correcting Mustang65's misrepresentation of the CPW regs. I looked up the CPW regs & they are not as restrictive or hindering as his exaggerations proclaim. The influx of people to many of the western states, like Colorado, has been overwhelming. Just in the last 30 years areas that were once open wilderness are now blanketed with houses. Spreading conspiracy theories & calling people names is not a solution to the problems many of the western states face with regard to hunting & hunting opportunities. Making the CPW an enemy seems counterproductive. More & more people & development = less hunting opportunities & more expense. Just the way it is.
 

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Fact is that they will end up killing off more animals than predators!! Once these animals start inbreeding, they become smaller, sickly, and start dying off in droves!! They will cause the extinction of more wildlife than anything else could!
What I meant to say was the Anti-gun, anti-hunt, and liberals in general will bring more animals to extinction than anything else could!!
 

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Fact is that they will end up killing off more animals than predators!! Once these animals start inbreeding, they become smaller, sickly, and start dying off in droves!! They will cause the extinction of more wildlife than anything else could!
Sounds like your describing a few places in California and New York city
 

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The problem is the Anti everything groups don't know conservation or much of anything .By reducing or eliminating hunting they are causing the demise of many animals.With human populations expanding into the animals natural habitat there is a greater competition for food , more animals from lack of thinning looking for less available food due to loss of feeding areas but the nature first groups think they are saving the animals but they are really hurting them .In some respect if there were less people the animals would be better off maybe start with the anti everything crowds.
 

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When I started hunting "out west" in 1974, everyone told me to go to Colorado where you could buy an elk or mule deer tag OTC. I reasoned that Colorado could sell an unlimited number of tags for a very limited number of elk and deer. So I entered draw units in Wyoming and did that almost 20 years.

I got a deer and an antelope tag every season and always filled them. I drew 2 elk tags in coveted areas and got 2 elk. I got a moose tag and killed a moose. I only used an outfitter/guide one time.

Taking off from work for 10 days, driving to Colo. or Wyo., food and lodging all cost $$$$ plus the cost of the tags. Also, most of the guys who told me to go to Colo. never got an elk or anything else and brought back stories of hundreds of 'hunters' road hunting every sheep path in the state.
I seldom saw another hunter in Wyo. and am very happy with my choices.

So, you see that the Colorado game dept. has been screwed up all along. The goons from California are just upping the ante.
 
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Hunting has been under assault for decades. I still remember the late 1970's CBS hit piece "The Guns of Autumn."

However, these times are the worst that I have seen.

The young people just don't understand the conservation aspect of hunting. They are being told one side, where we are depicted as "Trophy Hunters." Another thing that is being sold to them is "Nobody needs to hunt for food anymore." This, along with anti-firearms teachings such as the gun culture, white supremacy, police shootings, and of course a focus on climate change. They are being told that species are dying off due to climate change, and we are killing the rest. They believe this stuff, so it's no secret that many kids have no interest in our sport or heritage.

You can't get them to go outside, go to work, or focus on anything that can't be done quickly or on their smart phone. However, some are winding up in our State Game Departments and Federal Agencies with this mentality.

In Virginia, our Wildlife Management Areas are being neglected and over-run by non-sporting types such as horseback riders, bicyclists, hikers, and flower-sniffers. Sadly, the Department of Wildlife Resources (notice the name change) has put on larger focus and priority on them, because they need that revenue.

It's not just Colorado. We have to get better in getting the message out and by voting. And sometimes, we are our own worst enemy.
 

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In those places who can tell the difference
Quite Correct.....
Come on over for a hunt. Chances for a whitetail buck where I hunt are pretty good. Bear maybe 30-40% chance. Non resident license aren’t too expensive either. I only hunt private land, too many idiots on public.
That is a beautiful state. Good fortune on your hunt this year.
 

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My youngest grand kid is 12 and will play all day on his video game. He has admired my firearms by saying I have those in my game. while He has ben invited to shoot he always says no. My wife makes amazing venison spaghetti and stew he won't touch them yet he will eat Taco bell all day His parents (my son and his wife) love to shoot and love venison yet he has been conditioned by the education system guns are bad hunting is wrong. I tell this because he and his generation will be our next leaders, teachers etc... Hunter ed classes use to be over full and had a waiting list 15 years ago now if you see 10 kids there that's a full house .The school use to have a firearm course on campus but not now. NY has vilified firearms that even older shooters and hunters say it's just not worth the hassle .We are a dying group unless we can reverse this course I dare say hunting, bow, modern gun and muzzleloader will be reduced to a few states and areas
 
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I live in Colorado up North Turkey Creek Canyon 17 miles from Golden we have had lots of bear problems this year killing chickens getting into bear proof trash cans. Cars if your doors aren't locked etc.
Ever since the State put an end to spring bear hunting by vote?
The bear population has exploded.
So the now parks and wildlife thanks( john chicken looper?)
Used to be the Division of wildlife.
They use the money coming in from hunting license sales to build bicycle paths and hiking trails for the vary people that are against hunting and guns in general. What?

Why not encourage the building of bicycle paths and hiking trails through the areas where Bear populations have exploded, and encourage the PETA people and deranged Enviro groupies to hug a Bear and Tree experiences ?
Seems to me theres an ideal Darwin Awards opportunity here.......
 
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I thought it was timely to give some exposure to our Australian Kangaroos, ("Roos") the Adult Bucks are bluddy dangerous and not to be trifled with.

Here's some live footage the Buck Roos in action, the real risk if they close with you and hook on to your upper body; their intent is to rip your guts out using their powerful hind legs and larger toe claws.
They can be cunning bastards, I've seen them lure Dogs into a Dam and drown them.


(BTW "Roger" isnt one of the big ones).





Out here in "the Bush" we pretty much do our own thing, as an old friend of mine remarked recently when we were yarning over the "Laws"; "Law....what Law "?
So Roo hunting tends to go on despite the Greenie /PETA inspired legislation, when I still had my larger property up until 2016 "Spotlighting" (night hunting with a powerful Spotlight mounted on a vehicle), among the locals was commonly utilised to keep the Roo population down particularly during the lengthy Drought periods.
Roos are prolific breeders and can be nomadic when the grazing opportunities become limited, that's when concentrations of them pose a real threat to grazing land management.

On the subject of Roos as a food source, my Grandad told me that through the Great Depression of the 1930's it was Rabbits and Roo meat that kept the Bush people going, also it was more affordable to the City folk who could raise enough Pennies.
As a boy most of us learned to to use Ferrets and Rabbit traps, there was good pocket money to be made in Rabbit skins ( Arkubra Hats were the main buyers for the Rabbit fur) and after gutting then water cleaning the meat was never wasted.

We were taught how to place a rifle shot well no Ammo to waste, and the old folks were amazing with their shooting accuracy, even the women.
A yearling Roo Doe was (and is....Snort) good eating if a clean well place shot just behind the Ear can be made, or in the Rib cage for a Heart / Lung shot where there's bugger all meat.
The main harvest of meat is in the hind quarters and Tail (Roo tail soup is a delicacy). BTW there's a knack to preparing and cooking Roo meat, it gets tough and leathery if the cook isn't careful.
Most people aren't aware that Roo meat has little to no Fat content and according to scientific research is Cholesterol free for consumption.

Additionally the Skins are unique in that its of a layered texture very much like a plywood for the want of a better description; tanned Roo hide is thin supple and stronger for wear and tear than you could believe.

In the Eastern and Coastal hinterland around Australia we have a smaller breed of Kangaroo called "Wallabies" they're not dangerous but are good eating.

Happily we don't have the Hunting Tag restrictions like you do in the USA (not that most of us would bother with it anyway, the wild country over here can't be effectively monitored by authorities) and wild Pigs, Feral Dogs (not Dingoes) and wild Cats etc. are good hunting. Introduced Deer can be had also up and down the eastern hinterland.
 

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Come on over for a hunt. Chances for a whitetail buck where I hunt are pretty good. Bear maybe 30-40% chance. Non resident license aren’t too expensive either. I only hunt private land, too many idiots on public.
Thank you sir, would love to take you up on the offer someday. And of course would be happy to return the favour in this part of the world.
 

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I'd happily pay that! I've wanted to get over to the states and hunt for a whitetail buck and/or a black bear with a muzzleloader. Without private access it'd cost me thousands!
Actually it's becoming more and more common. Hunters here in the states with private land or access to private land host hunters from Europe. They come over, are loaned a muzzle loader, get a whitetail or mule deer, have a couple of dinner parties where the nicest parts of the deer are cooked up and served, and then fly home. Their Yank hosts then fly over there, are guests that get to hunt something they otherwise could never afford, eat some at a nice dinner party, and fly back to The States.

Currently I know of one fellow who shoots grouse in Scotland. His Scottish host comes over to Maryland for whitetail.

You might find somebody on the forum who could arrange something similar on their land for you, who knows?

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Playing the devils advocate here. Wild turkey in sustainable populations in every state on the continent. White Tail Deer herds that rival those at all times in American History. Elk, bighorn sheep, bears of all colors, wolves and even the hated Coy dog all species that hunters and non hunters will have around for another generation With out wildlife management rules and fees many of these species would have gone the way of the passenger pigeons. Small price of hunting fees and tax on ammo and equipment, let the devil have his due. Enjoy what we have.
 
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Playing the devils advocate here. Wild turkey in sustainable populations in every state on the continent. White Tail Deer herds that rival those at all times in American History. Elk, bighorn sheep, bears of all colors, wolves and even the hated Coy dog all species that hunters and non hunters will have around for another generation With out wildlife management rules and fees many of these species would have gone the way of the passenger pigeons. Small price of hunting fees and tax on ammo and equipment, let the devil have his due. Enjoy what we have.
Young people are not being taught this. It was hunters that saved species like the Wood Duck, not PETA.

In Maine for example, there is an activist waging a one-person war to not only end hunting in Maine but re-introduce Timber Wolves. He ties up the courts with nuisance suits to stop the moose hunt every year. He actually refers to it as the "annual Moose slaughter." He also tries over and over to gain a seat on the Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife advisory board. Not going to happen, but he forces them to waste time and money fighting his efforts.

He puts stock images from the internet on his FB page of bears or coyotes in traps for the shock value and gain followers. He also posts a lot of nonsense (with no evidence) that hunters and trappers no longer really provide that much revenue to State Game Departments, and only about 10% of the Maine population hunts anymore.

If that were true, how can he explain the record-setting numbers of Moose Permit applications? Or the thriving Bear hunting industry and bear populations in Maine? He can't. He simply blocks you from his page if you disagree with his BS or provide real facts and numbers.

They are gaining ground though. You now need a permit to run hounds in Maine. There is a very strong effort to ban bear hunting with hounds in Vermont.

If the NRA leadership would get over their luxurious lifestyle and get back to promoting and supporting hunting and marksmanship programs, they might just shed their current image and regain former members and be a force again. Politicians are not afraid of the NRA anymore. We need all the help that we can get.

I know the focus of the thread is Colorado. But we need to wake up nationwide.
 
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