Charleville Musket Barrel Bands

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  1. Sep 12, 2019 #1

    FlinterNick

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    Working on a kit, 1763 French Infantry Musket Charleville barrel bands.

    Anyone ever seen an authentic 1763 top barrel band with the riveted ramrod guide?

    Bianchi’s book describes this as a gutter / spring that was riveted to the top band.

    This rammer guide fits directly on top of the ‘T’ final of the middle barrel band.

    Thanks !
     
  2. Sep 14, 2019 at 2:06 AM #2

    smoothshooter

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    Don't have an answer to your question, but am curious what kit you have, and where did you get it?
    Been wanting a Charleville for myself.
     
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  3. Sep 14, 2019 at 6:12 AM #3

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    What exactly are you looking for? Are you trying to fabricate the barrel band yourself?

    I live in France and I am in the process of restoring a 1777. I’ve looked at some pictures of 1763s, but don’t see exactly what you are talking about. What I see are just normal barrel bands. I do remember reading somewhere, that a model of these guns had the front barrel band attached with a screw.

    I do go to Paris several times a year and often go to the army museum, where they have every French firearm made on display. I could have a look for what you are talking about and maybe send you some pictures. Unfortunately, I won’t be in Paris until November or December. Here is a link to a place that sells new and used parts. Maybe the pictures of parts will interest you.

    Good luck with your project.

    http://cartry-arme.com/pdf/armregle-2014.pdf
     
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  4. Sep 14, 2019 at 3:36 PM #4

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    Working on a kit with Rifle Shoppe Parts.

    The pattern musket is a 1763 French Infantry musket, the earliest pattern (not the 63/66).

    The gun is somewhat larger, bored to .72. The stock is heavier, the lock is larger by about 1/2 inch and the barrel is heavier. I compared it to my pedersoli and Miruko charleville barrels, the .72 barrel bigger than both and thicker. The pedersoli stock is thicker in the forearm, the pedersoli lock is shorter but ironically is heavier.

    The barrel bands are different than the standard Charleville musket bands on the 66-77 patterns.

    The middle band has a “T” or curved final to guide the rammer. Between the top band and the middle band; there’s a sort of rammer guide, almost looks like a tent spike. That sits between the middle and top band. According to Neuman’s book, and Bianci’s book, this rammer guide was ‘rivited’ to the top band, I can’t quit figure out how this was done, was it drilled and bolted with a type of screw ? But I’m not sure, I’ve never seen an original with it set-up.

    The idea behind the rammer guide / tunnel is to push the rod upward so that the rod doesn’t slip past the middle band when returned.

    This system is unique to this musket, it was discontinued because the parts broke or taken off to reduce the weight of the gun.
     
  5. Sep 15, 2019 at 12:03 AM #5

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    I plan on going to the museum I talked about next time I am in Paris. I’ll be glad to take a look when I’m there, to see if I can find the model you are looking for. I’m going to a match at the end of the month, where there will be a lot of people with these old guns and I’ll ask around.
     
  6. Sep 15, 2019 at 12:22 PM #6

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    Thank you very much ! Greatly appreciated.
     
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    Thanks for the very generous offer of assistance, but I am looking for an entire gun.
     

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