What sort of cartridges/quick load devices were Europeans using during this period? In Japan there were the hayago, small wooden tubes containing wad, a measured charge of powder, and the ball stuck in one end. The gunner would open the tube, pour the powder down the muzzle, and then ram the ball and wad into the gun through the tube. Was there any European equivalent to this in the 1600s? I've heard mentions of the so-called "twelve apostles" bandolier system containing measured powder charges, but I've seen some debate online about whether that was actually used. I also haven't seen mention of these "apostles" containing the ball and wad, only powder.