Ok, an update, but first thanks to all for the thoughts, links, guidance etc. Made 24 cartridges, shot 18. Remington 1858 in 36 cal. Specs, cigarette paper,(top manufacture), 20 grain 3f, 375 swagged roundball. Used an m-1 carbine empty case as my template for rolling. Put the roundball on top of the empty case and rolled it with extra above the roundball. Pinched twisted the paper, removed the m-1a case, filled with powder and twisted the end closed, trimmed excess. 24 made in 20 Minutes? Was quick. Comments and do different next time from shooting them. Made the cartridge a bit to wide. Leave more paper, thinner powder cartridge as had to twist the cartridge gently to have it go in the chamber. With the lead ring and excess paper above the ball, lots of extra stuff hanging to stop the cylinder from rotating while loading. Will try leaving the ball exposed and have paper glue to the ball. Seems to leave paper residue in the chambers and with the blowback from firing, paper clogged a nipple so could not fire the next load when I reloaded and did not see the clog. Hard to ignite with paper intact. May use nipple pick next time to break open the paper a bit so flame can get to powder a bit easier. Just some thoughts as first time trying was a slower loading process for me than just dumping powder, wad, bullet. Thanks again for the help and support.