Can you ship a percussion Sharps through the USPS?

[maillemaker]

Today I received a call from Shiloh Sharps that my percussion 1863 Shiloh Sharps was ready for shipping.

However, they said that it had to be shipped to an FFL.

When I asked whose rules this was, eventually the lady said it was UPS's rules. I said you could ship through USPS and she said, "If that was an option we would already be doing it."

I have shipped many percussion arms through the USPS without dealing with an FFL.

Dixie Gun Works sells the percussion 1859 Sharps and ships via USPS and UPS without requiring an FFL. I called them up and they said so.

Does anyone know why an 1863 Shiloh Sharps can't be shipped via USPS?

The Shiloh Sharps web site says:

Ordering Info & Instructions

THESE RIFLES ARE BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE ONLY! $250 NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT REQUIRED on all rifle orders placed in order to secure a position in production BUT NOT PROTECT AGAINST PRICE CHANGES Total deposit is credited toward a completed rifle and is non-refundable if cancelled PRICES ARE

shilohrifle.com

"All rifles are shipped in a UPS approved Doskocil® gun case and will be shipped UPS only either ground - 3 day select, 2nd day or next day. Absolutely no U.S. mail. The cost of the gun case will be $90.00 plus the cost of shipping."

So I guess they are adamant on not using USPS. However, Dixie Gun Works also ships via UPS and still don't require an FFL.

 

[Magungo1066]

I shipped a Shiloh percussion carbine a while back. It arrived damaged but they didn't give me any lip about an ffl when I first sent it. I can't remember whether it was UPS or Fedex

 

[#blackpowderbill]

Details, what state/city do you reside in?

 

[Magungo1066]

Details, what state/city do you reside in?

I am in Connecticut. I used a wooden crate if I remember correctly but I am not sure unfortunately. It was a while back.

 

[Juice Jaws]

Today I received a call from Shiloh Sharps that my percussion 1863 Shiloh Sharps was ready for shipping.

However, they said that it had to be shipped to an FFL.

When I asked whose rules this was, eventually the lady said it was UPS's rules. I said you could ship through USPS and she said, "If that was an option we would already be doing it."

I have shipped many percussion arms through the USPS without dealing with an FFL.

Dixie Gun Works sells the percussion 1859 Sharps and ships via USPS and UPS without requiring an FFL. I called them up and they said so.

Does anyone know why an 1863 Shiloh Sharps can't be shipped via USPS?

The Shiloh Sharps web site says:

Ordering Info & Instructions

THESE RIFLES ARE BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE ONLY! $250 NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT REQUIRED on all rifle orders placed in order to secure a position in production BUT NOT PROTECT AGAINST PRICE CHANGES Total deposit is credited toward a completed rifle and is non-refundable if cancelled PRICES ARE

shilohrifle.com

"All rifles are shipped in a UPS approved Doskocil® gun case and will be shipped UPS only either ground - 3 day select, 2nd day or next day. Absolutely no U.S. mail. The cost of the gun case will be $90.00 plus the cost of shipping."

So I guess they are adamant on not using USPS. However, Dixie Gun Works also ships via UPS and still don't require an FFL.

Go to the USPS and find out for sure

 

[wiscoaster]

OP, I have shipped multiple percussion pistols and a percussion rifle through USPS, several from Dixie Gun Works, so I'm quite sure the problem must be with your shipper's interpretations of your state's requirements, not with Federal USPS requirements. You can bet DGW knows what's what wrt state requirements, so it seems to me your problem is with Shiloh Sharps.

 

[TDM]

USPS delivered a 1873 Springfield trapdoor to my Son just yesterday, yes on Sunday surprisingly. Rifle came from Pennsylvania. No problems at all. Same with the Kibler and other kits I've bought.

 

[maillemaker]

I shipped a Shiloh percussion carbine a while back. It arrived damaged but they didn't give me any lip about an ffl when I first sent it. I can't remember whether it was UPS or Fedex

Sending it to them would not be a problem - they are an FFL for receiving.
Did they require it to go to an FFL when they sent it to you?

 

[maillemaker]

so it seems to me your problem is with Shiloh Sharps.

I am certain you are correct. I had to press the lady on the phone asking several times "Whose rule is this?" before she finally said "UPS". When I asked if they could send it USPS she said, "If that was an option we would already be doing it."

I found her manner very abrupt, abrasive, and rude.

 

[Magungo1066]

Sending it to them would not be a problem - they are an FFL for receiving.
Did they require it to go to an FFL when they sent it to you?

Sorry should have clarified. I sold it to another individual. Shiloh wasnt involved.

 

[waarp8nt]

Some states require shipping of any firearm other than a Pre-98 original to ship to an FFL dealer. This includes modern remakes of an original design. It is the states being further restrictive than Federal Law requires them to be.

For example. I live in Illinois. I can have a 1867 Rolling block shipped directly to my door. However, I am required to ship a T/C muzzleloader to an FFL dealer. Doesn't make sense as the Rolling Block can be chambered in a cartridge as effective as a modern design (performance wise), yet a modern made muzzleloader is restricted. Proof lllionis lawmakers don't know what they are doing.

Back to your question of why won't they? The few states that are restrictive, dictate the policy of most manufacturers and retailers. Cabela's, Bass Pro and others do the same thing as Shiloh. It's a CYA thing, likely advisable by their attorneys.

 

[deerstalkert]

a percussion rifle is not classified by the BATFE as a firearm. therefore it does not need by law to be shipped to an FFL.
in today's murky political landscape many companies are choosing to require it as a shield from the frivolous lawsuits designed to destroy the industry.
some blue state's have their own requirements that make the problem just that much worse.
it has been close to 15 years since i dealt with Shiloh so i can't offer much there, but i found Lucinda to be very helpful throughout the process.
i would say, if you really want the 1863, and having already given a hefty deposit or paid in full, i would just get a FFl for them to ship it to.

 

[maillemaker]

a percussion rifle is not classified by the BATFE as a firearm. therefore it does not need by law to be shipped to an FFL.
in today's murky political landscape many companies are choosing to require it as a shield from the frivolous lawsuits designed to destroy the industry.
some blue state's have their own requirements that make the problem just that much worse.
it has been close to 15 years since i dealt with Shiloh so i can't offer much there, but i found Lucinda to be very helpful throughout the process.
i would say, if you really want the 1863, and having already given a hefty deposit or paid in full, i would just get a FFl for them to ship it to.

Naturally, having already paid $2600, I will pay another $45 to the FFL for the transfer.

 

[maillemaker]

Details, what state/city do you reside in?

I'm in Alabama.

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

Maybe an across-the-board requirement of the seller, to cover their arse? I've run into sellers like that on the GB. Doesn't matter if its an antique or a BP arm, you're gonna pick it up at the FFL.

 

[deerstalkert]

Naturally, having already paid $2600, I will pay another $45 to the FFL for the transfer.

such are the days in which we are living. every time this type of sneaky taxation is burdened on us, inflation creeps higher.
post some pics of the 1863 so we can drool!!!

 

[#blackpowderbill]

I'm in Alabama.

I've shipped.to FFLs on the buyers request. The FFL doesn't charge the customer.
Some guys are out of town ,at work or are in a high porch pirate area.

Alabama isn't a libtard state.

 

[#blackpowderbill]

NOTE:
As I've said here many times. Some states and areas do require your Muzzleloader be shipped to an FFL.

The antique firearm deal.
Read the next paragraph in the ATF rulings.
If cartridges or ammunition are readily available it ships to an FFL.

 

[necchi]

Naturally, having already paid $2600, I will pay another $45 to the FFL for the transfer.

cancel the order, void the check, block the CC payment.
@ $2,600 they want to slap you with another $45 for their comfort(?)
Yes they can ship different.
It's what they want to do. I get that part.
It's not what you want to do, I get that part too.
Your topic is about what you want to do. Not what is right or wrong with shipping.
Shipping is the sellers choice whether it's liked or not.
Make your choice, do you want the rifle from the(that) seller or not? It's that simple.
It ain't rocket science, or even needful debate, two parties agree or not,,,(?)

 

[2 shots]

before a lot of drama ask your local ffl. what they would charge. they dont have to call it in . so maybe $0.00 or a small fee. ask em. if your a regular there , likely free.